12% Rule

[Crusty]

Since McDonald is a devotee of the N-Zone system developed by UCLA OC Noel Mazzone, I was watching his introductory tape to learn more about it. He explains the 12% Rule whereby turnovers, foolish penalties, drops and sacks aggregating 12% or more [EDIT LESS] of the total plays results in a 92% winning percentage.

Discuss among yourselves.

 

[texascpa]

Am I reading that right? If 12% or more of offensive plays result in turnovers, penalties, drop and sacks, then the winning percentage of that team is 92%? I have to think I'm reading that wrong.

 

[Crusty]

Am I reading that right? If 12% or more of offensive plays result in turnovers, penalties, drop and sacks, then the winning percentage of that team is 92%? I have to think I'm reading that wrong.

oops - fixed should have been "less".

 

[FAL]

Let's hope the "foolish penalties" part decreases by 92% compared to last year!:bang:

 

[Crusty]

Let's hope the "foolish penalties" part decreases by 92% compared to last year!:bang:

I would love to know what our stats were in 2012 vs 2013.
I am guessing our transgressions were ranked in this order:

1. foolish penalties
2. drops
3. turnovers
4. sacks

???

 

[texascpa]

I would love to know what our stats were in 2012 vs 2013.
I am guessing our transgressions were ranked in this order:

1. foolish penalties
2. drops
3. turnovers
4. sacks

???

Penalties

2012 - 102 for 898 yards (116th in the NCAA)
2013 - 99 for 804 yards (106th in the NCAA)

Drops

Doesn't look like this is an official stat

Turnovers

2012 - 22
2013 - 22

Sacks

2012 - 16
2013 - 18

http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/national/index.html

 

[Crusty]

Penalties

2012 - 102 for 898 yards (116th in the NCAA)
2013 - 99 for 804 yards (106th in the NCAA)

Drops

Doesn't look like this is an official stat

Turnovers

2012 - 22
2013 - 22

Sacks

2012 - 16
2013 - 18

http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/national/index.html

So, no surprises there - thanks.

 

[Suball10]

Even though the numbers are close, I believe the time of the penalty last year seemed to kill us. I recall driving the ball and we wld jump offside, or have a holding penalty the wld either put us out of fg range or turn a 3rd and 3 to 3rd and 13.

Can only hope with a simplified approach and the kids being more familiar with the system will help us not kill ourselves.

 

[Crusty]

I wonder if going fast results in more or less stupid pre-snap penalties.

 

[SWFLCUSE]

I wonder if going fast results in more or less stupid pre-snap penalties.

That's an interesting question, off the top of my head I would have said more, but after giving it some thought I think I would go with less due to the fact that the less time we are lined up the less time we have to make a mistake.

 

[Crusty]

That's an interesting question, off the top of my head I would have said more, but after giving it some thought I think I would go with less due to the fact that the less time we are lined up the less time we have to make a mistake.

Yes, that is what I was thinking also. My impression is that more false starts happen the longer linemen are in the down position waiting for the snap. I don't know that for a fact, but it seems to be what I remember. I will be paying more attention this season.
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[omniorange]

Since McDonald is a devotee of the N-Zone system developed by UCLA OC Noel Mazzone, I was watching his introductory tape to learn more about it. He explains the 12% Rule whereby turnovers, foolish penalties, drops and sacks aggregating 12% or more [EDIT LESS] of the total plays results in a 92% winning percentage.

Discuss among yourselves.

Was McDonald an NZone system devotee prior to Acosta coming on board? Acosta was supposedly big on the NZone system at Widener back in 2011.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[BlazeOrange]

Yes, that is what I was thinking also. My impression is that more false starts happen the longer linemen are in the down position waiting for the snap. I don't know that for a fact, but it seems to be what I remember. I will be paying more attention this season.
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The decrease in false starts might be offset by an increase in penalties relating to illegal motion, players not setting for one second before the snap, receivers in motion while the linemen are getting set, etc.

I did a quick search for the exact rules on pre-snap penalties - this is a high school Q&A, but was interesting enough that I thought I'd link it...
http://www.nkoafootball.org/smembers/training/atbeforesnap.html

 

[Crusty]

The decrease in false starts might be offset by an increase in penalties relating to illegal motion, players not setting for one second before the snap, receivers in motion while the linemen are getting set, etc.

I did a quick search for the exact rules on pre-snap penalties - this is a high school Q&A, but was interesting enough that I thought I'd link it...
http://www.nkoafootball.org/smembers/training/atbeforesnap.html

Good points. Thanks for the link.

 

[Suball10]

By no means is this scientific, but Oregon and ucla averaged just north of 8 penalties on offense per game last year while cuse was mid 7's. I think the difference is marginal. I will stand by it isn't so much the penalty , but more about the down/distance/ and time of the penalty. This separates good from great

 

[Upstate]

I wonder if going fast results in more or less stupid pre-snap penalties.

Interesting thought. I'd imagine it's LESS, actually. Speeding up a slower offense is foreign to the players. Having a team that should be prepared to go fast shouldn't make those mistakes.

 

[Crusty]

By no means is this scientific, but Oregon and ucla averaged just north of 8 penalties on offense per game last year while cuse was mid 7's. I think the difference is marginal. I will stand by it isn't so much the penalty , but more about the down/distance/ and time of the penalty. This separates good from great

Out of how many plays?

 

[Suball10]

Honestly no I'd. At the end of day I want this team to find an identity and cram it down teams throats. Don't be cute don't out think yourself. Go with the studs.

I've played and ref college hockey, and have coached. At end of day it's teams that don't shoot themselves and play to their strength that win.

Go cues!!!!

 

[Crusty]

Honestly no I'd. At the end of day I want this team to find an identity and cram it down teams throats. Don't be cute don't out think yourself. Go with the studs.

I've played and ref college hockey, and have coached. At end of day it's teams that don't shoot themselves and play to their strength that win.

Go cues!!!!

That is as close to a truism as we find in sports.

 

[Suball10]

Ha ha sweet use of thesaurus . To get back to the question, I am a believer. More mistakes you can mitigate against the better. So force your opponents hand. Push it

 

[IthacaBarrel]

If your scoring points and getting explosive plays on a regular basis a few penalties won't kill you, if you are a meathead, white knuckling every series looking for 3rd downs and 4 then yes penalties will make a huge difference. We need to continue to embrace the modern game and quit worrying about stupid stuff

 

[Crusty]

If your scoring points and getting explosive plays on a regular basis a few penalties won't kill you, if you are a meathead, white knuckling every series looking for 3rd downs and 4 then yes penalties will make a huge difference. We need to continue to embrace the modern game and quit worrying about stupid stuff

What if the other team is "scoring points and getting explosive plays on a regular basis" as well? We aren't the only team out there running a "modern game". (I don't think Noel Mazzone is a meathead and he runs a modern game.)