14 - 9, plus side field position, dbl reverse pass?

[Orangello]

I'm not talking OC.

I'd have no problem with it. Love Shafer, but if an upgrade is possible, you have to pull the trigger.

Two years ago had a NFL Offensive staff with one of the best top 5 DC's in college football that could outscheme, adjust, and gameplan almost anyone they faced. The position coaching was some of the best in the country.

Now it's a MAC level group with a HC trying to find his way and there is signficant regression in performance with no fall off in, and in many ways improved, overall talent level.

I figured you were talking as HC. I'd be on board with that in a heart beat.

 

[storange]

That was an absolute killer. Had all the momentum, chance to go up two scores and you pull that crap?

Horrible call.

I liked the call, Nobody blocked as was the case most of the game.

 

[Chip]

I liked the call, Nobody blocked as was the case most of the game.

But that was the exact problem with the call. If those guys couldn't hold up all day, you call a play that would require them to hold up longer?

The other problem was that NC State wasn't fooled. There was only one guy going out to catch the pass and he was covered. Everyone else was involved in the Stanford band exercise that preceded the pass.

 

[JoeSU]

Maybe we tried to get a little too fancy there, but we had the NC State defense on their heels and I think Lester was trying to go for the jugular. The basic premise behind trick plays is to use them when the opposing team is least expecting it.

 

[Millhouse]

Maybe we tried to get a little too fancy there, but we had the NC State defense on their heels and I think Lester was trying to go for the jugular. The basic premise behind trick plays is to use them when the opposing team is least expecting it.

like on 4th down in your own territory. what crazy person would pass up the opportunity to punt there? oh wait that was NC State

 

[Scooch]

like on 4th down in your own territory. what crazy person would pass up the opportunity to punt there? oh wait that was NC State

Yeah. I tend to hate trick plays, as a general rule. I hate them even more when we have the cajones to try them, but then wimp out when faced with an obvious call on a 4th and 5 from the other team's 37.

:bang:

 

[Millhouse]

Yeah. I tend to hate trick plays, as a general rule. I hate them even more when we have the cajones to try them, but then wimp out when faced with an obvious call on a 4th and 5 from the other team's 37.

:bang:

most trick plays are poorly executed. why waste practice time on them. that time is precious.

reverses take forever, end arounds could just be jet sweeps, half back options are risky because most backs are throwing that pass whether it's open or not (it's their one big chance)

in a bowl game, with extra time, knock yourself out (first pinstripe bowl flea flicker?)

 

[storange]

This is a Hindsight is 20 20 thread. If it goes for a TD its a great call. That call wasn't why we lost, the pick 6 cost us the game. I have no doubt in my mind about that. If were going to talk about critical moments how about PTG running 9 yards backwards, that was a drive stopper.

 

[Scooch]

This is a Hindsight is 20 20 thread. If it goes for a TD its a great call. That call wasn't why we lost, the pick 6 cost us the game. I have no doubt in my mind about that. If were going to talk about critical moments how about PTG running 9 yards backwards, that was a drive stopper.

The Pick 6 was depressing not just for the score NC State got, but moreso because no one on our offense could run down a DE over 80 yards.

Talent's just fine though.

 

[MSOrange]

This is a Hindsight is 20 20 thread. If it goes for a TD its a great call. That call wasn't why we lost, the pick 6 cost us the game. I have no doubt in my mind about that. If were going to talk about critical moments how about PTG running 9 yards backwards, that was a drive stopper.

PTG running backwards for 9 years made me blow a gasket. I know he was just trying to make a play, but a senior needs to know better to just cut your losses at a certain point.

 

[OrangeFoo]

The Pick 6 was depressing not just for the score NC State got, but moreso because no one on our offense could run down a DE over 80 yards.

Talent's just fine though.

In our defense (not sure why I am bothering) that dude was recruited as a WR and converted to DE. So he might just be a freak athlete. Also again in our defense, he caught the ball basically at the line of scrimmage and no one had a good angle on him once he got a caravan going. Long would have had him if it weren't for the fact that the defender blocking for the DE huffed and puffed and blew him over.

 

[Chip]

This is a Hindsight is 20 20 thread. If it goes for a TD its a great call. That call wasn't why we lost, the pick 6 cost us the game. I have no doubt in my mind about that. If were going to talk about critical moments how about PTG running 9 yards backwards, that was a drive stopper.

I know I'm probably being a hypocrite, because I would have done a happy dance if it worked, but I really don't like trick plays that take too long to develop. You've let the other team recover from what tricked them. That thing had 3 pitches and I just hated its design. Go flea flicker if you want to try that, it's quicker. Especially when your line can't block, but at least everyone would have converged on PTG like they were doing all day long.

I also hate fake punts when they are fairly obvious, like we lined up on the 37.

I do like hindsight posts though, they make me feel smart. I need them.

 

[Scooch]

In our defense (not sure why I am bothering) that dude was recruited as a WR and converted to DE. So he might just be a freak athlete. Also again in our defense, he caught the ball basically at the line of scrimmage and no one had a good angle on him once he got a caravan going. Long would have had him if it weren't for the fact that the defender blocking for the DE huffed and puffed and blew him over.

That's all fair.

But EIGHTY YARDS!

:bang:

 

[Noexcuse]

In our defense (not sure why I am bothering) that dude was recruited as a WR and converted to DE. So he might just be a freak athlete. Also again in our defense, he caught the ball basically at the line of scrimmage and no one had a good angle on him once he got a caravan going. Long would have had him if it weren't for the fact that the defender blocking for the DE huffed and puffed and blew him over.

We are probably far enough removed from Saturday's debacle that we can admit that the way AJ went down but still tried to tackle the guy while on his back was pretty funny.

 

[OrangeFoo]

We are probably far enough removed from Saturday's debacle that we can admit that the way AJ went down but still tried to tackle the guy while on his back was pretty funny.

reminded me of Jeff Van Gundy trying to hang onto Alonzo Mourning back in the day

 

[TheCusian]

I'm not talking OC. I'd have no problem with it. Love Shafer, but if an upgrade is possible, you have to pull the trigger. Two years ago had a NFL Offensive staff with one of the best top 5 DC's in college football that could outscheme, adjust, and gameplan almost anyone they faced. The position coaching was some of the best in the country. Now it's a MAC level group with a HC trying to find his way and there is signficant regression in performance with no fall off in, and in many ways improved, overall talent level.

Overreaction.

Any team with the amount of injuries, starting your 3rd string QB, and playing 8 games in a row vs elite or top 25 competition will look bad. Including Marrone.

Two years ago we had a coach the could gameplan against top competition and keep us within two scores. Last year we got killed by this competition and you brought up Marrone and keeping us close as a discredit to Shafer. This year we keep it close vs elite competition but our coaches are suddenly MAC level?

 

[TheCusian]

This talk about the schedule is crazy. Navy put up more points last night on ND than Cuse. Florida St is not as good as last year. Clemson had their 2nd string QB. NC State didn't have a conference win in 1+ years. No more excuses. Need to win some games- especially at home against comparable opponents. I mean BC lost at home to Colo St, but with 6 wins already I bet their fans aren't bitching about it anymore.

"No more excuses."

Is a way of saying "let me live in a world where if we just played harder with better coaching we'd win every game." That's not reality. There are things you control and things you don't. Both contribute to the outcome of a game. Labeling the stuff you don't control as excuses doesn't make them not exist.

I'm all for holding the team accountable for the stuff they control, but it's unfair to them to assume they must overcome every obstacle even if it's out of their control.

 

[ImperialOrange]

The Pick 6 was depressing not just for the score NC State got, but moreso because no one on our offense could run down a DE over 80 yards.

Talent's just fine though.

Everyone calling for more AAM after that game has me baffled. He was our less terrible RB... but I also watched him not be able to run down that DE on the slowest developing pick 6 in history.

My thought process after that pick was "that's a terrible pick but thankfully that guys is slow no way he isn't caught... wait why isn't AAM catching him... where are any of our other players... maybe he'll trip over Long... *****************!!!!!"

 

[JoeSU]

This is a Hindsight is 20 20 thread. If it goes for a TD its a great call. That call wasn't why we lost, the pick 6 cost us the game. I have no doubt in my mind about that. If were going to talk about critical moments how about PTG running 9 yards backwards, that was a drive stopper.

Yea, I'll bet nobody on the NC State board is complaining about their fake punt in the 1st Qtr. when we weren't expecting it (4th and 10 from their own 35, clinging to a 3-0 lead).

 

[NineOneSeven]

Everyone calling for more AAM after that game has me baffled. He was our less terrible RB... but I also watched him not be able to run down that DE on the slowest developing pick 6 in history.

My thought process after that pick was "that's a terrible pick but thankfully that guys is slow no way he isn't caught... wait why isn't AAM catching him... where are any of our other players... maybe he'll trip over Long... *****************!!!!!"

There's your team speed. Granted, his path to the end zone was as if Moses appeared and worked his magic

 

[GoSU96]

Overreaction.

Any team with the amount of injuries, starting your 3rd string QB, and playing 8 games in a row vs elite or top 25 competition will look bad. Including Marrone.

Two years ago we had a coach the could gameplan against top competition and keep us within two scores. Last year we got killed by this competition and you brought up Marrone and keeping us close as a discredit to Shafer. This year we keep it close vs elite competition but our coaches are suddenly MAC level?

Oh NOW the schedule is an issue.

that's not what you thought back in September.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/remember-when-people-thought.79655/

You attacked me for pointing out that the schedule was brutal. I was hoping they weren't going to get mauled. What I didn't think would happen is that they would lose to Maryland and NCSt at home. Neither loss was a result of talent or injuries.

Saturday they had the ball twice in plus territory in the middle of the 3rd quarter up 14-9 with a chance to take control of the game and by the end of that second possession were down 17-14. That result was not because of injuries to the OL because the two possessions prior they had extended TD drives.

You have a link for this comparison stuff, I don't remember it.

The Phil Montgomery stuff is half tongue in cheek, and I would never support removing Shafer, unless the school was committed to spending money and going for an upgrade.

Would I trade Shafer for the guy that has been by Briles side since they were at Houston, absof'inglutely.

Short of that, probably not.

But three and nine if it comes to that is bad. And the offense is heading towards Grobian territory, in fact after Sat. the ranking for scoring offense and passing efficiency is where they offense ended 2008. To be held to 38 yds rushing by a team that was ranked 90th and allowing 181 yds is horrible, even taking the OL issues into account.

This team is has better than 3-9 talent. I've seen 3-9 talent, I remember what it looks like, and this ain't it. Going 3-9 with a top 40 defense is hard to get your head around.

Even with all the struggles, they are 65th in rushing, 82nd in passing. Where they are awful is in scoring, passing efficiency, and 3rd down.