14 games in Nassib v Hunt

[GoSU96]

For most people of good will, no agenda, common sense Ryan Nassib didn't leave here as a horrible/worst ever/mediocre QB.

Here's a look at what Nassib did in his first 14 games as a starter.

9 Wins, 5 losses, 392 Attempts, 225 Comp, 57.4%, 2553 yds, 6.5ypa, 11.3 ypc, 22 TD, 5.6% TDPA, 8 Ints, 2% IntPA, 66 Carries, -43 yds, 1 TD

Here is what Hunt has done in his first 14 games as a starter (counting Wagner as his first start)

9 Wins, 5 losses, 344 Attempts, 209 Comp, 60.8%, 2098 yds, 6.1 ypa, 10 ypc, 11 TD, 3.4% TDPA, 9 Ints, 2.6%IntPA, 143 Carries, 743 yds, 11 TD

Nassib didn't have the benefit of the run game that Hunt has (which obviously he is a big part of) and the level of OL.

Two different type of QB's but same level of production at similar stages in their careers.

 

[Upstate]

The only portion I would disagree with is the OL. I thought Nassib with Macky, Chibane and Pugh might have had the better OL than Hunt now. I guess we should wait and see how it turns out. Different types of protection with a mobile QB, but I like it.

 

[OrangePA]

Good perspective - surprising really.

Just really disappointed in how Terrel his throwing the ball.

I guess I expected better than what we have seen so far.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Wish they kept stats for dropped passes. Nassib and Hunt both had a ton hurting their numbers.

 

[GoSU96]

The only portion I would disagree with is the OL. I thought Nassib with Macky, Chibane and Pugh might have had the better OL than Hunt now. I guess we should wait and see how it turns out. Different types of protection with a mobile QB, but I like it.

I'm talking about the line n 2010, not 2012.

 

[Upstate]

I'm talking about the line n 2010, not 2012.

Right, my mistake. You're right in that case.

 

[Crusty]

For most people of good will, no agenda, common sense Ryan Nassib didn't leave here as a horrible/worst ever/mediocre QB.

Here's a look at what Nassib did in his first 14 games as a starter.

9 Wins, 5 losses, 392 Attempts, 225 Comp, 57.4%, 2553 yds, 6.5ypa, 11.3 ypc, 22 TD, 5.6% TDPA, 8 Ints, 2% IntPA, 66 Carries, -43 yds, 1 TD

Here is what Hunt has done in his first 14 games as a starter (counting Wagner as his first start)

9 Wins, 5 losses, 344 Attempts, 209 Comp, 60.8%, 2098 yds, 6.1 ypa, 10 ypc, 11 TD, 3.4% TDPA, 9 Ints, 2.6%IntPA, 143 Carries, 743 yds, 11 TD

Nassib didn't have the benefit of the run game that Hunt has (which obviously he is a big part of) and the level of OL.

Two different type of QB's but same level of production at similar stages in their careers.

Absolutely great post. I was starting to think about comparing the two not because of stats but more in terms of the criticism and the ups and downs.

I think this is a very interesting and valid comparison. Thanks.

 

[TheCusian]

For most people of good will, no agenda, common sense Ryan Nassib didn't leave here as a horrible/worst ever/mediocre QB. Here's a look at what Nassib did in his first 14 games as a starter. 9 Wins, 5 losses, 392 Attempts, 225 Comp, 57.4%, 2553 yds, 6.5ypa, 11.3 ypc, 22 TD, 5.6% TDPA, 8 Ints, 2% IntPA, 66 Carries, -43 yds, 1 TD Here is what Hunt has done in his first 14 games as a starter (counting Wagner as his first start) 9 Wins, 5 losses, 344 Attempts, 209 Comp, 60.8%, 2098 yds, 6.1 ypa, 10 ypc, 11 TD, 3.4% TDPA, 9 Ints, 2.6%IntPA, 143 Carries, 743 yds, 11 TD Nassib didn't have the benefit of the run game that Hunt has (which obviously he is a big part of) and the level of OL. Two different type of QB's but same level of production at similar stages in their careers.

Careful - too much positivity might break up the hate fest around here.

 

[GoSU96]

Careful - too much positivity might break up the hate fest around here.

It's not positive, it's context.

McDonald needs to play to his strengths. Probably half of Hunts runs, and 23 is too many, were on called pass plays. If he is going to do that, make them designed pass/run options, get him out of the pocket and see if he can extend the play down field instead of defaulting to running.

For a guy who is such a threat to run and a team that is running the ball so well, where is the play action of the zone read, why not some boots and waggles off the stretch, he can still take off if nothing is there.

 

[orangeinjersey]

For most people of good will, no agenda, common sense Ryan Nassib didn't leave here as a horrible/worst ever/mediocre QB.

Here's a look at what Nassib did in his first 14 games as a starter.

9 Wins, 5 losses, 392 Attempts, 225 Comp, 57.4%, 2553 yds, 6.5ypa, 11.3 ypc, 22 TD, 5.6% TDPA, 8 Ints, 2% IntPA, 66 Carries, -43 yds, 1 TD

Here is what Hunt has done in his first 14 games as a starter (counting Wagner as his first start)

9 Wins, 5 losses, 344 Attempts, 209 Comp, 60.8%, 2098 yds, 6.1 ypa, 10 ypc, 11 TD, 3.4% TDPA, 9 Ints, 2.6%IntPA, 143 Carries, 743 yds, 11 TD

Nassib didn't have the benefit of the run game that Hunt has (which obviously he is a big part of) and the level of OL.

Two different type of QB's but same level of production at similar stages in their careers.

whoa whoa whoa, theres no place for facts and reality on the internet

 

[Crusty]

whoa whoa whoa, theres no place for facts and reality on the internet

If it is on the Internet it must be true. They can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true.

 

[BlackKnight76]

The only portion I would disagree with is the OL. I thought Nassib with Macky, Chibane and Pugh might have had the better OL than Hunt now. I guess we should wait and see how it turns out. Different types of protection with a mobile QB, but I like it.

The 2012 line with Pugh was probably a bit better than 2013, but I'd say Hunt's lines are better than 2010/11

 

[Crusty]

The 2012 line with Pugh was probably a bit better than 2013, but I'd say Hunt's lines are better than 2010/11

Macky is the key difference. He came into his own in 2012.

 

[BlackKnight76]

Macky is the key difference. He came into his own in 2012.

Yup, Macky was awesome by the end of his career. Could totally have used him this year.

 

[SUFan44]

It's not positive, it's context.

McDonald needs to play to his strengths. Probably half of Hunts runs, and 23 is too many, were on called pass plays. If he is going to do that, make them designed pass/run options, get him out of the pocket and see if he can extend the play down field instead of defaulting to running.

For a guy who is such a threat to run and a team that is running the ball so well, where is the play action of the zone read, why not some boots and waggles off the stretch, he can still take off if nothing is there.

Serious question - have we ran a play-action pass yet?

 

[TheCusian]

Serious question - have we ran a play-action pass yet?

Serious answer: just about every pass play in the first half vs CMU was off of play action or a fake screen.

 

[Millhouse]

Against BCS/P5 first 10 games started
Nassib 112 rating 1587 yards combined, 12 TD combined
Hunt 99 rating 1954 yards combined, 10 TD combined

It's interesting to think about how much QB running is worth. does Hunt's 650 yards on the ground make up for the difference in QB rating. i think it does when you're talking about 99 compared to 112. It might not if you're talking about going from a 137 rating to a 150 rating or a 150 to a 163.

 

[javadoc]

Those are good numbers and context, but I think the main thing people are disappointed by - at least I know I am - is that at this point in our program's trajectory I don't want to have to suffer through 2 years of blah to get the one year of "hey that was pretty darned good". Maybe I am not seeing the big national picture correctly, but it seems that other teams start RF or SO QB's and they make generally good decisions, or at least make the bread and butter throws. Why does it take us so gosh danged long to get the same thing that other middle-of-the-road teams do? I really am tired of it.

I've thought about this the last few days, and I think we would be better off trying to get QB's from other states where they play a lot more football and the kids come in better prepared. We're probably not going to get a NY guy who is ready to play as a RF, so every NY QB we take is a big gamble, and an implied time commitment to train the guy up. I'd much rather we look to FL or TX for QB's.

 

[Millhouse]

Those are good numbers and context, but I think the main thing people are disappointed by - at least I know I am - is that at this point in our program's trajectory I don't want to have to suffer through 2 years of blah to get the one year of "hey that was pretty darned good". Maybe I am not seeing the big national picture correctly, but it seems that other teams start RF or SO QB's and they make generally good decisions, or at least make the bread and butter throws. Why does it take us so gosh danged long to get the same thing that other middle-of-the-road teams do? I really am tired of it.

I've thought about this the last few days, and I think we would be better off trying to get QB's from other states where they play a lot more football and the kids come in better prepared. We're probably not going to get a NY guy who is ready to play as a RF, so every NY QB we take is a big gamble, and an implied time commitment to train the guy up. I'd much rather we look to FL or TX for QB's.

i'm with you on that. the TCU allen was supposed to be that guy with a zillion 7 on 7 passes. i'm not sure who they're looking at in coming years

 

[SmilinBob]

Both QB's have had throws they struggled with. I remember watching McNabb and wondering where the heck is he throwing that?

I have faith in Hunt to succeed and one question I have is, does he have his offense in the places for success and see the D and recognize what is the best possible play vs said defense? Nassib had a plethora of 3 and outs early and so far...knock on wood...Hunt has done very well avoiding those which allows him to get into a rhythm something that Nassib badly needed to do. Once Nassib got into a flow, he nailed it. To me...Hunt has been more consistent and probably because he can move the markers with his feet way better than Nassib.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Against BCS/P5 first 10 games started
Nassib 112 rating 1587 yards combined, 12 TD combined
Hunt 99 rating 1954 yards combined, 10 TD combined

It's interesting to think about how much QB running is worth. does Hunt's 650 yards on the ground make up for the difference in QB rating. i think it does when you're talking about 99 compared to 112. It might not if you're talking about going from a 137 rating to a 150 rating or a 150 to a 163.

the staff thinks so much of his running, that they didnt let him run on 4th & 2 from the 36...

im telling ya...with his athleticism, height and ability to run, hed be an incredible target.

lets get the best players on the field, all at the same time...in positions to make plays.

 

[Millhouse]

the staff thinks so much of his running, that they didnt let him run on 4th & 2 from the 36...

im telling ya...with his athleticism, height and ability to run, hed be an incredible target.

lets get the best players on the field, all at the same time...in positions to make plays.

you can't pass up an opportunity to get in a field position battle with a team that's up 18 with 20 min left

 

[Timonen]

Serious question - have we ran a play-action pass yet?

you missed all the play-action bubble screens (where the defender has extra time to close on the wr)?!?!

 

[SUFan44]

you missed all the play-action bubble screens (where the defender has extra time to close on the wr)?!?!

You're right. I meant an actual play action pass that set something up downfield - not a bubble screen. Should have been more clear.

 

[Millhouse]

You're right. I meant an actual play action pass that set something up downfield - not a bubble screen. Should have been more clear.

run a play action to pull the safeties up into a better position to tackle the guy you're throwing to behind the guy you just faked to