16 Team ACC would be extremely Attractive

[OrangePA]

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I agree: RU should be part of ACC, though I disagree about the pods you set up.

I don't expect ND to do anything, so hopefully ACC adds RU and UConn: locks up the northeast, preserves regional games, keeps Big 10 out of region, creates foundation of future network.

After all, NC has 4 teams: UNC, NCS, Wake, Duke.

My guess is unless Big 12 does something, however, the ACC and Big 10 will consolidate their expansions and not expand for several years till the next triggering event. The recent Big 10 and PAC 12 scheduling deal strongly implies the Big 10 is not planning to expand east.

Until then, Big East football should continue to be competitive and interesting with diverse styles of play with Houston, UCF, Boise and the others.

My hope is SU will regularly schedule RU OOC until the ACC decides to expand.

Apparently some posters here are very insecure about SU's prospects and believe the solution is to exclude RU and UConn from the ACC. Fortunately, such posters don't make decisions.

Ugh.

Bad post in my opinion.

 

[omniorange]

Yet another who doesn't understand or who was unaware of the reason the ACC added Pitt and SU.

The PAC 10 deal showed that the market price that networks would pay had gone up significantly.

The ACC agreement said that they could re-negotiate their contract if they added two teams. Voila! They added SU and Pitt to get a the opportunity to renegotiate contract.

No such situation exists now as an incentive for them to add either Rutgers or UConn. No other Conference deal has established a new Market Price. And the renegotited contract might not even have the "add Two New Schools and you can re-negotiate" clause.

ND is a completely different situation.

Rutgers and UConn are going to be in the New, New Big East for a long time.

Absolutely nothing is going to happen in 6 months or 12 months or 18 months. UConn and Rutgers aren't going to be added because there is absolutely no incentive for the ACC to do so.

As I understand it, the contract allowed for them to re-negotiate with ESPN specifically with the addition of 2 teams. I do not believe they can go to the open market as a result of this move. Probably the best they could achieve might be an arbitration if they can't agree upon $$$ with ESPN.

Does anyone seriously believe that the additions of SU and Pitt without being able to take the contract on the open market would be worth more $$$ per team than what the ACC is already getting?

I sure don't. Which means, to me, ESPN and the ACC were in on this together. I don't think ESPN wanted to see some of the better ACC programs (FSU, VT, Clemson) wind up in the SEC, a conference they don't control. So to get the ACC more $$$ in an attempt to keep the ACC stable and healthy, this clause was used to keep it all legal. And with the expansion pickings so slim for the ACC (due to their academic standards) - Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, and Syracuse - I'm not sure ESPN cared all that much which two.

Everything goes in cycles and this is all about ESPN taking a flyer on the ACC in the hopes that FSU and Miami bounce back to 1990s early 2000s form and believing the ACC will be grateful to them in assisting them in keeping the conference together that they will remain entirely with ESPN when the contract does go back on the open market. The ACC's choices were also about taking a flyer. And I should hope by now that this does not need explaining.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[SU2NASA]

Adding Rutgers and UConn would allow the ACC to split into four pods consisting of four teams.​

The pods would ensure:​

- preserved regional rivalries​

- minimized travel costs​

- increased intra-conference travel among fans to games​

- Increase value of current geographic outliers (ie Boston College, Syracuse)​

- continuity along the Atlantic Seaboard​

North Pod​

- Boston College​

- Rutgers​

- Syracuse​

- UConn​

MId - Atlantic Pod​

- Maryland​

- Pittsburgh​

- Virginia​

- Virginia Tech​

Carolina Pod​

- Duke​

- North Carolina State​

- University of North Carolina​

- Wake Forest​

Southern Pod​

- Clemson​

- Florida State​

- Georgia Tech​

- Miami​

Organizing the ACC like this seems so natural to me. What do you think?​

You sir have failed.

Enjoy ConferenceUSA Part Deux.

 

[sufan]

The posters aren't decision makers ... but the real decison makers you referred to have spoken four times (ACC twice, Big Ten once and Big 12 once) and every time they have spoken they have excluded both Rutgers and UConn. What's not clear about that?

I doubt SU will continue to schedule Rutgers in the real sports. Our dance card is getting very, very full. There's no benefit to SU in scheduling them in basketball and lacrosse, for sure. Better to let them rot.

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As I said in my post:

"My guess is unless Big 12 does something, however, the ACC and Big 10 will consolidate their expansions and not expand for several years till the next triggering event. The recent Big 10 and PAC 12 scheduling deal strongly implies the Big 10 is not planning to expand east."

To expand: all the conferences are conservative and expansion requires an incentive:

1) the Big 12 is very close geographically, with 6 schoools in Texas and OK. They just lost their midwest/northern teams that had an opportunity to leave. They are unlikely to add RU or UConn.

2) The Big 10 just signed a scheduling agreement with the PAC creating a combined conference/PAC schedule of 9 games a year. Prior to that, they were considering expanding to 9 conference games. So that is a strong signal they are not planning any additional expansion east short of ND. The PAC in creating this scheduling also sent a strong signal they don't plan on any additional expansion short of UT.

3) The ACC expansion was motivated by the opportunity to reopen their media deal by adding 2 teams that fit their profile. It was also done at a time when there was discussion that the Big 12 might offer Pitt a spot and was perhaps also influenced by the possibility the SEC might consider expanding east. FSU was supposed to have set up a committee to consider expansion options.

So what might be possible triggering events in the years ahead:

I believe the Big 10 renegotiates its media deal in 2016. The PAC 12 and Big 10 networks will be well established and may be even more of a cash machine for their members. That may influence the SEC or Big 12 or ACC in their thoughts about a network of their own. When a conference owns a network, that has a strong impact on how they want to position themselves.

More to the point, the ACC is now a north-south coastal conference but it has 4 teams in NC and is unlikely to add any team now in the SEC or Big 10. If they decide to create their own network to keep up with the Big 10 and PAC 12 and the hugely successful SEC, they may well decide their only real option is to maximize the potential of the northeast markets by adding RU and possibly UConn assuming ND wants to stay independent.

RU is a state school that meets the ACC academic profile and geographically reinforces the ACC footprint in the northeast. It doesn't subtract but rather adds to the concept of the ACC as a north-south coastal conference/market.

And in my opinion additionally adds an interesting regional game for SU in football.

 

[bnoro]

And in my opinion additionally adds an interesting regional game for SU in football.

If it's that interesting we can schedule them OOC. But it's not. So we won't.

Rutgers.

 

[orange79]

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I agree: RU should be part of ACC, though I disagree about the pods you set up.

I don't expect ND to do anything, so hopefully ACC adds RU and UConn: locks up the northeast, preserves regional games, keeps Big 10 out of region, creates foundation of future network.

After all, NC has 4 teams: UNC, NCS, Wake, Duke.

My guess is unless Big 12 does something, however, the ACC and Big 10 will consolidate their expansions and not expand for several years till the next triggering event. The recent Big 10 and PAC 12 scheduling deal strongly implies the Big 10 is not planning to expand east.

Until then, Big East football should continue to be competitive and interesting with diverse styles of play with Houston, UCF, Boise and the others.

My hope is SU will regularly schedule RU OOC until the ACC decides to expand.

Apparently some posters here are very insecure about SU's prospects and believe the solution is to exclude RU and UConn from the ACC. Fortunately, such posters don't make decisions.

So true. And that includes posts like this. ACC does not need RU.

 

[All4SU]

I just don't think anything is going to happen in the short- or medium-term in conference re-allignment.

 

[TexanMark]

Rumors around the WVU Board (apparently started by a guy with deep connections) is the B12 is about to pop for more BE teams. My guess is UL and Cincy. Makes the most sense geographically. Rutgers and UConn would be geographic outliers.

Just my thought this could be in response to the BE playing hardball with WVU/B12. It could be smoke and mirrors also...kinda a shot across the bow of the USS Providence to negotiate or loss two more teams.

If this happens (taking 2 teams) I don't see how the BE Football league stays together. They might as well sue for peace...the remanants can join the C-USA/MWC cluster forming into the mega mid-major conference. The Catholics then get together.

I could see the winner of that new alliance (MWC/CUSA/USF/Ruttie/UConn) getting a BCS auto (assuming the BCS stays together).

 

[Scooch]

It was attractive for people who follow Big East teams to propose outlandish scenarios that saw the addition of Penn State, Notre Dame, Maryland, BC, etc. too.

And those were just as likely to happen.

 

[SUATO92]

If it's that interesting we can schedule them OOC. But it's not. So we won't.

Rutgers.

THANK YOU! Why do these people keep saying that Rutgers is an interesting opponent for SU? They are not and have NEVER been! What the are these people smoking? I did the happy dance at never having to play them again in anything once I found out we were going to the ACC. People PLEASE stop it with this Rutgers rivalry nonsense!

 

[CaliCuse]

No Thanks.

I would prefer the status quo.

I have no interest in playing Rutgers after next year.

Stay and be well in the BE Conference. I think it will be fine for the Knights.

I agree that not playing Rutgers is not a big deal for us. It might be for them. Which is fine by me on all sides of the issue.

 

[CaliCuse]

THANK YOU! Why do these people keep saying that Rutgers is an interesting opponent for SU? They are not and have NEVER been! What the are these people smoking? I did the happy dance at never having to play them again in anything once I found out we were going to the ACC. People PLEASE stop it with this Rutgers rivalry nonsense!

Rutgers fans areand always have beed delusional about themselves and their self importance . Having lived among them and heard for myself their moronic take about every recruit coming into any of their programs I have lost what little respect I might have mustered for them.All you ever need to know about them was clearly demonstrated with monkey face jumping around on the sideline immediately after winning in the Dome this past season.Apparently this game was for the national championship the way he reacted. It was all there in a glimpse of the Syracuse Rutgers competition. We couldn't care less and their HC goes bananas with a win over us. Of course "monkey face" would go bananas. I hope Doug never jumps around like that regardless of the big time game and win. Give me a big smile and a player hug and fellow coaches but not jump around in that manner ever.!!couchburn