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Message: [QUOTE="bpo57, post: 2332109, member: 1572"] I guess I'm probably not going to have success convincing you that Gray is not an ace. As you commented earlier - when it comes to the NYY you're an optimist. That's fine. All I'm telling you is from what I've seen so far he is not an ace. And I don't need to see a large sample to know he's a nibbler that won't give in and therefore really struggles to get past the 6th inning. In most of his starts you've got a guy warming up in the bullpen in the 5th inning. Too many guys like that can do a # on your bullpen. Aces don't create that kind of an issue. [/QUOTE]