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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 3005040, member: 837"] Agreed. What makes him really unusual is that his sister was/is an absolute rockstar student. PhD from Harvard, basically got paid to go there. But last year was the first year since he graduated from high school ('96) that he didn't make more than she did since obviously she is trying to land extremely competitive grants, etc. Just an interesting case study. I think the thing that's not overrated about a 4-year degree is that the vast majority of people need that piece of paper that proves you got your 120 credits or whatnot. That said, the number of people who don't need that degree is growing and, I'd argue, we need to really consider what we're teaching in college. I love the arts and humanities, so I'm not really pushing STEM initiatives, as much as more real-world business training. There are so many opportunities to do your own thing. [/QUOTE]