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2024-25 NBA Season / Playoffs

Zelda Zonk said:
Isn’t the question: what should be a part of the game? The game evolves. There was no dunking. There was no 24 second clock. There was no 3 point line. There was no restricted circle….

Even in terms of fouling, there have been changes. ‘Take’ fouls, clear path, flagrants….
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Zelda gets it.
 
Melancer46 said:
I don't feel so good.

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Just demand the haul of the century for him. Y'all got your title. Houston/OKC/who knows who else.

If I'm the Bucks, I'm seeing where that Rockets pick via PHX lands and I'm telling them any trade starts with Amen Thompson. Houston might balk at that, but you're talking about one of the elite players in the league in Giannis, so pay up. You hold the line that you aren't the Jalen Green dumping ground.

OKC: Chet + a million picks + whoever else you want outside of SGA.

Spurs: Picks (including this year's) + Castle + anyone else you want to make it work
 
MikeSU02 said:
Just demand the haul of the century for him. Y'all got your title. Houston/OKC/who knows who else.

If I'm the Bucks, I'm seeing where that Rockets pick via PHX lands and I'm telling them any trade starts with Amen Thompson. Houston might balk at that, but you're talking about one of the elite players in the league in Giannis, so pay up. You hold the line that you aren't the Jalen Green dumping ground.

OKC: Chet + a million picks + whoever else you want outside of SGA.

Spurs: Picks (including this year's) + Castle + anyone else you want to make it work
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Zach Lowe was saying he thinks Houston would make Amen and Sengun both untouchable, but if they do that, he thinks they'd need to literally include 7 first round picks and 5 pick swaps to have a chance lol.

For me personally, I need at least one piece where I know who I'm getting and that it's someone I can begin to rebuild around. Amen, Jalen Williams, Franz Wagner, and Cooper Flagg are really the guys I'd be wanting as a centerpiece. Unless the Spurs get Flagg, I personally would not be interested in their proposals. I just don't see Castle as that guy but I know some other Bucks fans disagree.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
Then you're in favor of basketball having the dumbest ending in all of sports and don't have a solution.
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I think it's a bigger issue (to the extent that it is) in college vs the NBA. You don't see nearly as much intentional fouling in the NBA (the initial comment that sparked this debate was about Boston fouling Mitch up a lot, it wasnt about the end of the game) vs college. The shot clock is shorter, the time out allows you to advance the ball; teams are much more willing to play things out to try and get a stop.

I don't find myself watching the end of NBA games and really thinking there's a whole lot that needs to be changed. College is different (I also saw in the last few days we may get coaches challenges as opposed to reviewing every out of bounds call, which would be a huge upgrade)
 
Knicks411 said:
I think it's a bigger issue (to the extent that it is) in college vs the NBA. You don't see nearly as much intentional fouling in the NBA (the initial comment that sparked this debate was about Boston fouling Mitch up a lot, it wasnt about the end of the game) vs college. The shot clock is shorter, the time out allows you to advance the ball; teams are much more willing to play things out to try and get a stop.

I don't find myself watching the end of NBA games and really thinking there's a whole lot that needs to be changed. College is different (I also saw in the last few days we may get coaches challenges as opposed to reviewing every out of bounds call, which would be a huge upgrade)
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This is fair.
 
Knicks411 said:
I think it's a bigger issue (to the extent that it is) in college vs the NBA. You don't see nearly as much intentional fouling in the NBA (the initial comment that sparked this debate was about Boston fouling Mitch up a lot, it wasnt about the end of the game) vs college. The shot clock is shorter, the time out allows you to advance the ball; teams are much more willing to play things out to try and get a stop.

I don't find myself watching the end of NBA games and really thinking there's a whole lot that needs to be changed. College is different (I also saw in the last few days we may get coaches challenges as opposed to reviewing every out of bounds call, which would be a huge upgrade)
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I dislike the fact that teams with a lead can just foul once they get a 3 point lead, but if there's anything towards the end of games that I would want changed, there is a gigantic gap between my disdain for video reviews and everything else. I would 100% rather watch the wrong team win than spend 20 minutes trying to get through the final 30 seconds of the game reviewing every out of bounds call, how much time is on the clock after every made basket, god forbid teams still have their challenges at the end, etc. The fouling obviously plays a part in extending these games too but at least I have someone shooting the ball to watch. Every time we go to video review, I instantly check out from the game.
 
Melancer46 said:
I dislike the fact that teams with a lead can just foul once they get a 3 point lead, but if there's anything towards the end of games that I would want changed, there is a gigantic gap between my disdain for video reviews and everything else. I would 100% rather watch the wrong team win than spend 20 minutes trying to get through the final 30 seconds of the game reviewing every out of bounds call, how much time is on the clock after every made basket, god forbid teams still have their challenges at the end, etc. The fouling obviously plays a part in extending these games too but at least I have someone shooting the ball to watch. Every time we go to video review, I instantly check out from the game.
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Totally agree re video reviews.

In some capacity, they need to change this. It makes the end of games totally disjointed, last way too long and make the refs the stars of the game, which no one wants.
 
I disagree about video reviews. I just think they need to be able to streamline the process. 30 seconds, all from feeds shown in-house, not going to Secaucus or where ever. If they can't figure it out in that time, either jump ball or go to the original call. But, i can't understand the sentiment of 'not caring if they get it wrong, so long as my flow isn't interrupted!' I mean, the flow is interrupted by time outs and fouls and free throws organically—don't viewers accept/adjust/cope with that?

Millions of people 'live and breathe' with wins/losses and hundreds of millions of dollars are spent to try to win championships. To have it come down to missed calls that could easily be corrected seems bad. And, to get to a point where a season-ending/playoff deciding win or loss is decided on a mistake, we also have to acclimate to the same conditions during 'less critical' games, because making playoffs can depend on just one game.

Maybe the NBA can work on shortening games like MLB did? Would that take the bite out of protracted replays? I agree, they're too long sometimes.
 
Melancer46 said:
I dislike the fact that teams with a lead can just foul once they get a 3 point lead, but if there's anything towards the end of games that I would want changed, there is a gigantic gap between my disdain for video reviews and everything else. I would 100% rather watch the wrong team win than spend 20 minutes trying to get through the final 30 seconds of the game reviewing every out of bounds call, how much time is on the clock after every made basket, god forbid teams still have their challenges at the end, etc. The fouling obviously plays a part in extending these games too but at least I have someone shooting the ball to watch. Every time we go to video review, I instantly check out from the game.
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Is this a combo NBA/NCAA complaint? Because the NBA hasn't been reviewing calls outside of challenges in a few years and it has greatly sped up the end of games. The end of college games are beyond awful.

I read an idea to curtail the fouling up 3, something like if the shot clock is off and the defense is up 3 (probably only if they are up 3) and they foul you outside of the 3 point line, it's 1 shot and the ball for the offense. It's a little convoluted, but it could work.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
I disagree about video reviews. I just think they need to be able to streamline the process. 30 seconds, all from feeds shown in-house, not going to Secaucus or where ever. If they can't figure it out in that time, either jump ball or go to the original call. But, i can't understand the sentiment of 'not caring if they get it wrong, so long as my flow isn't interrupted!' I mean, the flow is interrupted by time outs and fouls and free throws organically—don't viewers accept/adjust/cope with that?

Millions of people 'live and breathe' with wins/losses and hundreds of millions of dollars are spent to try to win championships. To have it come down to missed calls that could easily be corrected seems bad. And, to get to a point where a season-ending/playoff deciding win or loss is decided on a mistake, we also have to acclimate to the same conditions during 'less critical' games, because making playoffs can depend on just one game.

Maybe the NBA can work on shortening games like MLB did? Would that take the bite out of protracted replays? I agree, they're too long sometimes.
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I would gladly settle for having a 30 second time limit on reviews or something along those lines, but (1) there are tons of missed calls in every game; even with reviews, you still often get upwards of 5 incorrect calls in the 2 minute report alone, much less the other 46 minutes, (2) they don't even always get the call right during video reviews, (3) IMO some of the video reviews actually make it more likely to get the call wrong by the spirit of the law, and (4) there are so many things that you're not allowed to review that it kinda renders the idea of trying to get the right winner useless to me.
 
Can't argue with that. There are always too many missed calls. Moreso in the playoffs, when things get ridiculously physical.

I just don't think the solution is to do less toward being accurate. Same with the rationale for making drugs legal—"It's too hard to police. We give up. Go for yours."

Yes, there's a compromise. I think—sorry—the crew should be able to initiate their own reviews in the last two minutes. Maybe retain this for only the last ten games of the season+playoffs?
 
MikeSU02 said:
NBA is fixed. That’s absurd that Nico gets Flagg to fall into his lap.

They’ll still mess it up somehow.
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“If you could see to it that Luca found his way somehow to the Lakers , we’ll do right by you and make sure you are taken care of ., think of it as planting a flag”

-anonymous exec in smoke filled room
 
MikeSU02 said:
NBA is fixed. That’s absurd that Nico gets Flagg to fall into his lap.

They’ll still mess it up somehow.
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I know it's almost always BPA in the NBA draft over need, but do we think the Spurs hesitate at all with taking Harper when they already have Fox and Castle there?

Obviously the elephant in the room is they have even more assets to offer in a major trade now, but if they hypothetically keep the pick, you think Harper is a lock there?

Kinda funny that three of the teams I thought would pursue Giannis end up all jumping into the top 3.
 

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