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2024-25 NHL THREAD.

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The follow up deal by Colorado with the cap space they cleared (plus the 2nd and 4th they acquired) will go a long way in determining how much Colorado lost this year. They should be able to add a second line forward with the space and those picks. (and maybe another moderate piece)
 
Rangers with a 7-0-3 stretch to climb back into the race.

Can’t give this a like as I don’t like the Rangers .. but many interesting moving parts in the East like the Rangers that are making a compelling playoff race. Wouldn’t want to be a one seed facing the Rangers as a wildcard in round one.
 
Can’t give this a like as I don’t like the Rangers .. but many interesting moving parts in the East like the Rangers that are making a compelling playoff race. Wouldn’t want to be a one seed facing the Rangers as a wildcard in round one.

Rangers could be similar to the Panthers two years ago - won the President’s Trophy the previous year, struggled early while retooling, finish the season strong and carry that all the way to the Finals.

Moneypuck gives them a 57% chance of making the playoffs…iirc they’d dropped into the low teens at one point. Huge improvement in a very short period of time.
 

Salary cap going up. I know alot of people think this means big market teams can finally flex but I see this as resulting in only minor changes to the landscape.

Basically the rise in the cap will be offset by a rise in player salaries to the point teams will still be unable to do much wheeling and dealing. The market price of a 3 million a year guy will rise to 4 milion …etc etc and we’ll end up right where we are

Not that it’s a bad thing . Players should get more
 

Salary cap going up. I know alot of people think this means big market teams can finally flex but I see this as resulting in only minor changes to the landscape.

Basically the rise in the cap will be offset by a rise in player salaries to the point teams will still be unable to do much wheeling and dealing. The market price of a 3 million a year guy will rise to 4 milion …etc etc and we’ll end up right where we are

Not that it’s a bad thing . Players should get more

All the comments from the NHL and NHLPA make it sound like the upcoming negotiations should be pretty smooth sailing, with very few big ticket items on the table. Back in the 90s, NHL revenues were getting closer to the NBA - but all kinds of structural issues caused the NHL to fall way behind ($10.9B vs $6.8B). With a larger share of revenues coming from attendance in the NHL, there’s a lot of room to grow other sources (especially TV)… it’d be nice if the narrative switched to “can the NHL catch MLB/NBA?” instead of “Is MLS the 4th major sport now?” (which is an insane narrative; MLS revenues are $2.0B. MLS is to the NHL as the NHL is to the NFL…thinking MLS is close to or surpassing the NHL is bizarre).
 
So I was thinking this 4 nations tourney was going to suck. But after just two games .. I’m in. It’s very intense and the guys are treating it like it’s the Olympics. Saturday night should be a blood bath
I hope the all star game and the “skills” competition never returns. So boring. This is exciting as hell. Next year the NHL is back in the Olympics
 
I hope the all star game and the “skills” competition never returns. So boring. This is exciting as hell. Next year the NHL is back in the Olympics

I agree about the AS game/skills competition being bland and uninteresting. The NFL has abandoned it, the NBA AS game is a track meet with a bouncy ball, and the NHL's AS event was a pale imitation of even that, only with skates. I haven't watched it in a decade, just the bits that make it to the talking heads shows. Only MLB's game is interesting, and the HR derby is now meh. Sayonara to the whole idea. The only good thing about it is by this time, most of the players get a much appreciated break. The selection process is suspect. There are a couple players on each team that made me say, "Who?" And where's Mark Scheiffele, the top player on the No. 1 team? That's such bullshit. Oh, he plays where? In Winnipeg? Half the country doesn't know where that is - or rather they don't want to. ;)

It does feel contrived to some extent, as it lacks the legitimacy of the Olympics or world championships. It feels like the NHL invented something they could win. But at least the stiff-necks from the IIHF have no control in it. The teams are made up entirely of NHL players, so they're not really "national" teams. Also the US has 335 million people (but only maybe what, 10% are on hockey playing regions, Canada 40, Sweden 10-11, and Finland 5.5. I don't know how to reconcile the lack of Russia and Chechia.

I record the games and watch them starting about an hour behind, so I can FFWD through all the hokey opening ceremony pageantry, the anthems, and the indigenous land claims stuff that's everywhere else in the country (thanks Justin). Chris Cuthbert is well beyond his best before date. Every time somebody does something he sounds like it's the first time he ever saw it. At this point he's little more than an NHL cheerleader. No wonder Bettman has him in that role.
 
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I agree about the AS game/skills competition being bland and uninteresting. The NFL has abandoned it, the NBA AS game is a track meet with a bouncy ball, and the NHL's AS event was a pale imitation of even that, only with skates. I haven't watched it in a decade, just the bits that make it to the talking heads shows. Only MLB's game is interesting, and the HR derby is now meh. Sayonara to the whole idea. The only good thing about it is by this time, most of the players get a much appreciated break. The selection process is suspect. There are a couple players on each team that made me say, "Who?" And where's Mark Scheiffele, the top player on the No. 1 team? That's such bullshit. Oh, he plays where? In Winnipeg? Half the country doesn't know where that is - or rather they don't want to. ;)

It does feel contrived to some extent, as it lacks the legitimacy of the Olympics or world championships. It feels like the NHL invented something they could win. But at least the stiff-necks from the IIHF have no control in it. The teams are made up entirely of NHL players, so they're not really "national" teams. Also the US has 335 million people (but only maybe what, 10% are on hockey playing regions, Canada 40, Sweden 10-11, and Finland 5.5. I don't know how to reconcile the lack of Russia and Chechia.

I record the games and watch them starting about an hour behind, so I can FFWD through all the hokey opening ceremony pageantry, the anthems, and the indigenous land claims stuff that's everywhere else in the country (thanks Justin). Chris Cuthbert is well beyond his best before date. Every time somebody does something he sounds like it's the first time he ever saw it. At this point he's little more than an NHL cheerleader. No wonder Bettman has him in that role.

I think a Russian team would have been more competitive than Finland…if last night is any indicator how this is going to go, that’ll be obvious by the end of the tourney.

I’m mostly just rooting for no injuries in this thing.
 
I think a Russian team would have been more competitive than Finland…if last night is any indicator how this is going to go, that’ll be obvious by the end of the tourney.

I’m mostly just rooting for no injuries in this thing.
Apparently there are 11 Finnish defencemen in the NHL, and 3 of them are injured. The USA forecheck jumped all over them. I expect it will be different Saturday.
 
best thing was Finland scored first and the line moved from over -500 to around -190. I hoped it would happen and it did.
 
Apparently there are 11 Finnish defencemen in the NHL, and 3 of them are injured. The USA forecheck jumped all over them. I expect it will be different Saturday.

I’m not sure what you expect to be different Saturday. If it’s that the US forecheck won’t dominate Saturday, that’s a safe bet. If it’s that Sweden won’t be able to forecheck/jump all over Finland…I’m not sure. I think Finland is a distant fourth in this tourney and will struggle to compete with any team.
 
I’m not sure what you expect to be different Saturday. If it’s that the US forecheck won’t dominate Saturday, that’s a safe bet. If it’s that Sweden won’t be able to forecheck/jump all over Finland…I’m not sure. I think Finland is a distant fourth in this tourney and will struggle to compete with any team.
Sorry, I was getting at the point that Canada's defense won't be as easy to push around.
 
The big deal tomorrow

Canada loses and they are in trouble to make the final

USA loses and they still can get to 6 pts by beating Sweden

USA wins and loses to Sweden Canada is out if Sweden beats Finland

Finland wins the last 2 and it becomes interesting
 
US wins Saturday, and they get to choose who they want to play in the Final (this also assumes Sweden beats Finland) In game 3 against Sweden, Us can rely hard on the 3rd and 4th liners, bottom pai D and backup goalie against Sweden making it much easier for Sweden to win game 3... setting up a final between US and Sweden. That being said its the advantage they earn if they win.

Its also part of the problem of a short round robin, leading to a final of the top two finishers. In the old formats of the Memorial Cup, this was believed to have happened a few times where a team "chose" who to play in the final.
 
US wins Saturday, and they get to choose who they want to play in the Final (this also assumes Sweden beats Finland) In game 3 against Sweden, Us can rely hard on the 3rd and 4th liners, bottom pai D and backup goalie against Sweden making it much easier for Sweden to win game 3... setting up a final between US and Sweden. That being said its the advantage they earn if they win.

Its also part of the problem of a short round robin, leading to a final of the top two finishers. In the old formats of the Memorial Cup, this was believed to have happened a few times where a team "chose" who to play in the final.

I appreciate the analogy, also the possibility of manipulation. If I may, I don't think either the US or Canada wants to win that way, especially given the the political tenor of the time. The politics don't enter into the equation for the Americans so much, but are quite important to the hosts (us). I often have a hard time choosing who to cheer for in Canada/USA hockey tilts, but I have no such dilemma this time around. :)
 
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best thing was Finland scored first and the line moved from over -500 to around -190. I hoped it would happen and it did.
I'm a sucker for big plus money in Hockey/Baseball. So much variance. Sweden had no business winning the other night and yet it was right there for them.
 
I appreciate the analogy, also the possibility of manipulation. If I may, I don't think either the US or Canada wants to win that way, especially given the the political tenor of the time. The politics don't enter into the equation for the Americans so much, but are quite important to the hosts (us). I often have a hard time choosing who to cheer for in Canada/USA hockey tilts, but I have no such dilemma this time around. :)

TLDR version — Sweden plays against US with urgency as it’s much win for them. US has no must win urgency.

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Let me take another crack at this. If the Americans win tonight in regulation, do I think the Americans intentionally lose against Sweden. Absolutely not. But there are many factors at play that would make the Sweden much more likely to win Tuesday night against the US than expected, as I lay out below. Its essential for Canada to get at least an overtime result tonight (win or loss) -- or if you are a fan of Canada cheer hard for Finland this afternoon against Sweden! At least then Canada controls its destiny on Tuesday.

The Americans will have clinched and earned the final spot with a regulation win on Saturday.
- They will have had a massive win on road ice on Saturday. They will likely and understandably come out flat on Tuesday, and their is no urgency to win that game since they have clinched. Sweden on the other hand will be playing with massive urgency, and will not have to combat the US physical edge (forecheck) as much to the natural urgency factor in the US.
- Its been an intense tourney. The US should take the opportunity to play the 4th line and bottom pair a little more, to reduce the minutes of the guys (especially Older vets) who played really hard in game 1 and 2. You might even consider playing the backup -- but all the goalies are good. They earned this right. This isn't losing the game on purpose by any means -- just the proper way to navigate a tournament with the advantages you have earned along the way.
- If anybody is banged up the US earned the opportunity to rest them in game 3.

Sweden is pretty good - not quite at the level of the US or Canada, but there D is as good as anybody in the tournament. Give them a few innate "energy" advantages, and it swings the likelihood of a game significantly
 
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Let me take another crack at this. If the Americans win tonight in regulation, do I think the Americans intentionally lose against Sweden. Absolutely not. But there are many factors at play that would make the Sweden much more likely to win Tuesday night against the US than expected, as I lay out below. Its essential for Canada to get at least an overtime result tonight (win or loss) -- or if you are a fan of Canada cheer hard for Finland this afternoon against Sweden! At least then Canada controls its destiny on Tuesday.

The Americans will have clinched and earned the final spot with a regulation win on Saturday.
- They will have had a massive win on road ice on Saturday. They will likely and understandably come out flat on Tuesday, and their is no urgency to win that game since they have clinched. Sweden on the other hand will be playing with massive urgency, and will not have to combat the US physical edge (forecheck) as much to the natural urgency factor in the US.
- Its been an intense tourney. The US should take the opportunity to play the 4th line and bottom pair a little more, to reduce the minutes of the guys (especially Older vets) who played really hard in game 1 and 2. You might even consider playing the backup -- but all the goalies are good. They earned this right. This isn't losing the game on purpose by any means -- just the proper way to navigate a tournament with the advantages you have earned along the way.
- If anybody is banged up the US earned the opportunity to rest them in game 3.

Sweden is pretty good - not quite at the level of the US or Canada, but there D is as good as anybody in the tournament. Give them a few innate "energy" advantages, and it swings the likelihood of a game significantly

A potential comp is how the National League went this year. Mets-Braves had a doubleheader to end the season, whoever won the first game was in. Mets won - then played mostly backups and a AAA starting pitcher. They weren’t “trying to lose” - but they didn’t put a ton of effort into giving themselves the best shot to win.

Probably the same if the US wins today - they wouldn’t be trying to lose, but would be setting themselves up as well as possible for the metal round and therefore wouldn’t be putting 100% in to winning.

Would that upset Canada? Sure. The way the Mets played in the second game of the doubleheader upset the Diamondback too, since they didn’t make the playoffs as a result. But - that’s how things play out sometimes.
 
I’m glad that the Fins won so at least Canada controls their own destiny if they lose tonight.

But it will not be a gimme. The last 25 years Fins are typically always #5 on paper (including Russia) but they tend to outperform on the ice and finish higher than on paper. So we shouldn’t be surprised by their upsets from time to time in a one game format.
 
I think the Memorial Cup has the ideal 4 team format compared to this.

Basically it’s a round robin.
Then #3 vs #2.
#1 gets a bye.

It generally keeps all the round robin games meaningful, and gives a real advantage to who finishes #1.

I understand how the NHL doesn’t want to add another few days to this though.. and have one country play 5 times.
 
Heard This is the first best on best game between the US and Canada since the 2010 Olympic gold medal game .. nearly 15 years.

The two countries did not meet at the 2014 Sochi games, or at the 2016 World Cup. (Note it’s possible they did meet in 2016 but that technically was not best on best as under 24 year olds from Canada and US were not those teams)
 

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