2024 Toronto Blue Jays Season

[STEVEHOLT]

I don’t know if any other jays fans are out there .. but here goes anyway !

-we can’t hit again
-no hit by a 30 year old non-prospect
-Vlad Guerrero gets worse every year
-Alejandro Kirk gets fatter every year
-we inexplicably paid IKF 15 million dollars

Other than that .. it’s GREAT

 

[Trueblue25]

Pain

 

[jncuse]

We are somewhere between an 81 to 92 win team. I'd say the downside is the lowest its been since beginning of 2021.

I could see scenarios where things go fairly well (most players had bad years in 2023 vs 2022), so there is internal upside, but then again what did they really change from 2023.

 

[jncuse]

The first 10 game road trip is rough -- 5-5 would be fine.

This year has wide ups and downs. Almost every game has been a blowout (win or loss)

 

[jncuse]

We did it. Jays in the record books!

 

[Trueblue25]

We did it. Jays in the record books!

Wow, just awful.

 

[orangenauburn]

All things considered, 4-4

Could be the Mets, Malins, or Oakland

 

[STEVEHOLT]

All things considered, 4-4

Could be the Mets, Malins, or Oakland

Total luck to have that record . Vlad gets worse and worse every day. He’ll be out of baseball at this rate .

 

[orangenauburn]

Total luck to have that record . Vlad gets worse and worse every day. He’ll be out of baseball at this rate .

The good thing is there are more than a handful of bad GMs and owners in the league.

There are a few "names" they could get good value for if they decide to make moves at the midway mark this year.

For years they failed to address the bullpen.

It's like a foreign concept to them

 

[jncuse]

At todays afternoon game … people are pansies sunny 16 (or 61) and the roof is closed.

Beautiful day in downtown.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Vlad Guerrero will be out of baseball in 3 years

 

[jncuse]

We are ass

 

[STEVEHOLT]

We are ass

jays are the only team in mlb to not win a single game in which they ever trailed by 3 runs or more since all-star break 2023.

Meanwhile they blew two games with a 3 and 5 run lead to the Nats this weekend .

 

[donniesyracuse]

jays are the only team in mlb to not win a single game in which they ever trailed by 3 runs or more since all-star break 2023.

Is that an important stat for you? How many should they have won?

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Is that an important stat for you? How many should they have won?

It involves wins and losses and highlights an utter inability to come back from a deficit. Are wins and losses an important stat “for you” sporty?

 

[donniesyracuse]

It involves wins and losses and highlights an utter inability to come back from a deficit. Are wins and losses an important stat “for you” sporty?

It’s a meaningless stat to me without context. How many games are we talking about? Is it five or fifty? What is the league winning percentage in those kinds of games? How many did the Orioles win? How much better are they when they are down only two runs? It seems like one of those stats an AI Twitter account generates that seems interesting, but doesn’t really tell us anything.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

It’s a meaningless stat to me without context. How many games are we talking about? Is it five or fifty? What is the league winning percentage in those kinds of games? How many did the Orioles win? How much better are they when they are down only two runs? It seems like one of those stats an AI Twitter account generates that seems interesting, but doesn’t really tell us anything.

Of course it does. Let me explain why. Because every single other team has accomplished this. If the stat were 4 runs, it’s probably a lot less meaningful, but 3 isn’t that much. A team should randomly be able to overcome such a deficit once in that long a span, unless they were so dominant or so awful such that they were rarely behind 3 . I can assure you the jays were neither . About as mid as mid gets.

So to answer your question. All I ask is for 1. To not win 1 is pathetic.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Of course it does. Let me explain why. Because every single other team has accomplished this. If the stat were 4 runs, it’s probably a lot less meaningful, but 3 isn’t that much. A team should randomly be able to overcome such a deficit once in that long a span, unless they were so dominant or so awful such that they were rarely behind 3 . I can assure you the jays were neither . About as mid as mid gets.

So to answer your question. All I ask is for 1. To not win 1 is pathetic.

Does how well they do with a two run deficit matter or is three runs the important measure?

 

[OrangeAl]

Does how well they do with a two run deficit matter or is three runs the important measure?

Are you wildly defending the team or are you wildly anti-statistics?
Agreed, maybe the stat isn't super decisive, but it's still odd to be the worst at it.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Are you wildly defending the team or are you wildly anti-statistics?
Agreed, maybe the stat isn't super decisive, but it's still odd to be the worst at it.

I just want context for the stat before I decide if it’s an anomaly or if it actually says something about the makeup of the team. I love statistics and am careful not to make inferences that are not warranted.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I just want context for the stat before I decide if it’s an anomaly or if it actually says something about the makeup of the team. I love statistics and am careful not to make inferences that are not warranted.

It’s a blunt tool not a high precision instrument. That’s why it’s effective at conveying the ineptitude of the jays offense.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I just want context for the stat before I decide if it’s an anomaly or if it actually says something about the makeup of the team. I love statistics and am careful not to make inferences that are not warranted.

You should understand the context already if you are a baseball fan. Teams blow 3 run leads not so infrequently such that when 1 team
NEVER comes back from one but all the others do, it tells you something

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Does how well they do with a two run deficit matter or is three runs the important measure?

2 run lead is easily overcome such that it doesn’t separate teams much. Once you get to three, takes a bit more to overcome that, but every now and then you should. Set it at 5 runs and it’s pretty meaningless

 

[donniesyracuse]

You should understand the context already if you are a baseball fan. Teams blow 3 run leads not so infrequently such that when 1 team
NEVER comes back from one but all the others do, it tells you something

How many games is it? Certainly 0 out of 10 is different than 0 out of 50, right? Were there any occasions where they came back to tie or take the lead, but lost the game afterwards? Does it matter?

 

[donniesyracuse]

You should understand the context already if you are a baseball fan. Teams blow 3 run leads not so infrequently such that when 1 team
NEVER comes back from one but all the others do, it tells you something

What does it tell you? Are they worse than the 89 games they won last year? Are they lacking some important skill that enables other teams to come back from three run deficits? Should the GM be actively pursuing players who are good against three run deficits?

Or is it maybe just an anomaly?

Derek Jeter didn’t hit a grand slam in his first ten years. It didn’t tell us anything about Derek Jeter. It was just an anomaly.