3-12 against UVA since we joined the ACC

[Cusefan0307]

Complete mismatch no matter who the players are.

 

[Cuse12]

Complete mismatch no matter who the players are.

Regardless of players, most importantly, they typically are fundamentally sound and make less mistakes than us. Bennett recruits these type of players over and over and excels with them. Sound team always

 

[dasher]

Regardless of players, most importantly, they typically are fundamentally sound and make less mistakes than us. Bennett recruits these type of players over and over and excels with them. Sound team always

How tall is he?

 

[SUGIANT]

5 pt loss against a ranked team, just not a complete mismatch in my estimation.

 

[HoustonCuse]

5 pt loss against a ranked team, just not a complete mismatch in my estimation.

I dunno. The point is more a bigger view. Virginia has been summarily superior to us for the past 10 years. There is absolutely no questioning that. We got a few fluke wins against them but overall they are better. They’ve been on an epic run so there’s not many teams that could claim they’ve been superior to UVA in the past decade. Although today was a 5 point loss, did you honestly think at any point during the game that we had a chance of beating them? I certainly didn’t. They are a winning program, they were always going to find a way to win this game. If they had needed to do more to win, they would have done it. We have some young talent that will develop if they stay, but right now we are extremely easy to beat. Look at the UNC game as a recent example. Don’t let the close score fool you. UVA is a winner right now and we are not. We spent many years with that winning “thing” whatever it is, but we haven’t had it for at least 6 years now and really only in flashes in the 2015-2017 period.

 

[Day2]

I dunno. The point is more a bigger view. Virginia has been summarily superior to us for the past 10 years. There is absolutely no questioning that. We got a few fluke wins against them but overall they are better. They’ve been on an epic run so there’s not many teams that could claim they’ve been superior to UVA in the past decade. Although today was a 5 point loss, did you honestly think at any point during the game that we had a chance of beating them? I certainly didn’t. They are a winning program, they were always going to find a way to win this game. If they had needed to do more to win, they would have done it. We have some young talent that will develop if they stay, but right now we are extremely easy to beat. Look at the UNC game as a recent example. Don’t let the close score fool you. UVA is a winner right now and we are not. We spent many years with that winning “thing” whatever it is, but we haven’t had it for at least 6 years now and really only in flashes in the 2015-2017 period.

How is the UNC game a recent example? They needed biased officiating to beat us.

 

[HoustonCuse]

How is the UNC game a recent example? They needed biased officiating to beat us.

No they didn’t. That’s exactly the point. We made losing plays. Up 2 with 20 seconds left and you can’t get a defensive rebound from a free throw, then save the ball to the other team under their basket for a dunk? Followed by panicking and driving out of control from half court to the rim? I’m sorry, but those are plays loser teams make. That’s what we are right now. It will improve if these players stick around but that isn’t the current model of college basketball anymore so we may be starting from square one again next year.

 

[two3zone]

Complete mismatch no matter who the players are.

yEaH bUt OnE oF OuR wInS iS tHe BiGgEsT wInS eVeR!! tHeY sTiLl FeEl ThAt OnE!!!

 

[Day2]

No they didn’t. That’s exactly the point. We made losing plays. Up 2 with 20 seconds left and you can’t get a defensive rebound from a free throw, then save the ball to the other team under their basket for a dunk? Followed by panicking and driving out of control from half court to the rim? I’m sorry, but those are plays loser teams make. That’s what we are right now. It will improve if these players stick around but that isn’t the current model of college basketball anymore so we may be starting from square one again next year.

That’s one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is if we were awarded a normal amount of free throw attempts, the game wouldn’t be close enough for your argument to matter. With balanced officiating, Edwards and Mintz don’t foul out.

Miami is a better example for you.

 

[Cusefan0307]

That’s one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is if we were awarded a normal amount of free throw attempts, the game wouldn’t be close enough for your argument to matter. With balanced officiating, Edwards and Mintz don’t foul out.

Miami is a better example for you.

We keep losing close games because the program has a losing tradition now. No excuses. Our record against UNC and UVA sucks. We are Providence from 2005 to 2013 when we beat them every year and we knew we would.

 

[Day2]

We keep losing close games because the program has a losing tradition now. No excuses. Our record against UNC and UVA sucks. We are Providence from 2005 to 2013 when we beat them every year and we knew we would.

That’s a narrative.

In 2021, many of us pointed out that all the close losses for the football team were an indication that we were a better team than our record. People like you insisted that we were just a losing program. We said it would balance itself out…which is what happened this past season.

This is a young team. Past seasons have no relation to them. They weren’t here.

 

[RF2044]

Complete mismatch no matter who the players are.

They are better coached. And because of that, they execute well at the end of games.

We play them close -- a lot [and not just because they tend to be low scoring], but they always seem to play well down the stretch, whereas we rarely do.

BTW, we hit some free throws yesterday, despite the sloppy ass play, we win.

 

[Cusefan0307]

That’s a narrative.

In 2021, many of us pointed out that all the close losses for the football team were an indication that we were a better team than our record. People like you insisted that we were just a losing program. We said it would balance itself out…which is what happened this past season.

This is a young team. Past seasons have no relation to them. They weren’t here.

Every college basketball team is young these days and we have 2 seniors in the starting lineup that account for 40% of our offense with no obvious replacement for one of them and maybe the other as well.

We've lost 3 games in a row to UVA in games decided by less than 5 points. I haven't even got into what we have done against UNC which is equally as putrid.

 

[Cusefan0307]

And ffs don’t ever compare the football program to the basketball program. If that is what we are doing then I guess the goal is to never compete for conference titles and top 4 seeds in basketball.

 

[Scooch]

It's college basketball, more conference games are close than not I suspect.

No one doubts that UVA is among the better teams in the country, and their MoVs in conference are:

5
2
18
-3
7
7
9
10
9
19
5

That's eight single-digit games among their 11 conference games.

I'd rather we lose by 5 than 15, but it's not particularly predictive of the overall health of a team.

 

[BuffOrange]

I dunno. The point is more a bigger view. Virginia has been summarily superior to us for the past 10 years. There is absolutely no questioning that. We got a few fluke wins against them but overall they are better. They’ve been on an epic run so there’s not many teams that could claim they’ve been superior to UVA in the past decade. Although today was a 5 point loss, did you honestly think at any point during the game that we had a chance of beating them? I certainly didn’t. They are a winning program, they were always going to find a way to win this game. If they had needed to do more to win, they would have done it. We have some young talent that will develop if they stay, but right now we are extremely easy to beat. Look at the UNC game as a recent example. Don’t let the close score fool you. UVA is a winner right now and we are not. We spent many years with that winning “thing” whatever it is, but we haven’t had it for at least 6 years now and really only in flashes in the 2015-2017 period.

I would simplify and just say two blowouts during a sweep aren't all that common.
I lived this life for 20yrs as a Bills fan "almost" beating the Patriots in 1 game & getting spanked in another.
Now it's funny listening to NE fans steal our script. "If Cam didn't fumble", "if the kickoff return"...sure and in the other game you got trucked so what is that 20% Win equity in 2 games.

Having a chance to win at home if some things go your way is such a pitifully low bar.

 

[NKR1978]

yEaH bUt OnE oF OuR wInS iS tHe BiGgEsT wInS eVeR!! tHeY sTiLl FeEl ThAt OnE!!!

I still feel Vermont, Butler, OSU and Michigan. They definitely feel that game.

But otherwise, I agree.

 

[two3zone]

I still feel Vermont, Butler, OSU and Michigan. They definitely feel that game.

But otherwise, I agree.

Fair

 

[Day2]

And ffs don’t ever compare the football program to the basketball program. If that is what we are doing then I guess the goal is to never compete for conference titles and top 4 seeds in basketball.

Take it easy.

 

[two3zone]

And ffs don’t ever compare the football program to the basketball program. If that is what we are doing then I guess the goal is to never compete for conference titles and top 4 seeds in basketball.

Unfortunately as of right now I don’t see a future of us competing for a conference title. My mind won’t change until I know who the next coach is.

 

[HoustonCuse]

That’s one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is if we were awarded a normal amount of free throw attempts, the game wouldn’t be close enough for your argument to matter. With balanced officiating, Edwards and Mintz don’t foul out.

Miami is a better example for you.

I understand the point and would have agreed a couple years ago, but it is fascinating to see this perspective of our program now having a losing tradition. I never knew what it looked like from this side. Now, I know that if we got more FTAs and made more FTs, it would have just put more pressure on UVA or UNC to make winning plays, which UNC may have failed to do given their current state, but UVA is going to make those winning plays 8 out of 10 times. Just like we used to do 8 out of 10 times. It's not a linear thing - as in, we lose by one and claim if we hit two more FTs then we would have won. It's more like a rubber band, the harder we push on the other team, the harder they will resist. That ability to resist and overcome is what winning programs have. We were never winning that game last night. Even up a couple points late. Just absolutely wasn't going to happen.

 

[007]

They are better coached. And because of that, they execute well at the end of games.

We play them close -- a lot [and not just because they tend to be low scoring], but they always seem to play well down the stretch, whereas we rarely do.

BTW, we hit some free throws yesterday, despite the sloppy ass play, we win.

This is dead on RF.

UVA is exceptionally well coached and easily the most fundamentally sound team we play every season. They typically execute well throughout the entire game because of this, but especially during end of game situations when it matters most. They manage the clock, force teams into poor decisions and/or take away the other team's primary option, take advantage of mistakes, make FTs, and execute. This doesn't happen by accident. I'm sure that Bennett devotes a substantial amount of practice time every day coaching end of game situations. And, it doesn't really seem to matter who Bennett has on the court in-game or season after season.

On the other hand, I think that same methodical precision tends to "hurt" them on the offensive end. Admittedly, their sporadic inability to handle our full court press is mind boggling to me. In a weird way, I think this might have something to do with our press being so chaotic and fundamentally lacking that it presents unique challenges to well drilled teams. Meaning, what they think "should" be happening rotationally during the press isn't always the case.

 

[W&LHoo]

This is dead on RF.

UVA is exceptionally well coached and easily the most fundamentally sound team we play every season. They typically execute well throughout the entire game because of this, but especially during end of game situations when it matters most. They manage the clock, force teams into poor decisions and/or take away the other team's primary option, take advantage of mistakes, make FTs, and execute. This doesn't happen by accident. I'm sure that Bennett devotes a substantial amount of practice time every day coaching end of game situations. And, it doesn't really seem to matter who Bennett has on the court in-game or season after season.

On the other hand, I think that same methodical precision tends to "hurt" them on the offensive end. Admittedly, their sporadic inability to handle our full court press is mind boggling to me. In a weird way, I think this might have something to do with our press being so chaotic and fundamentally lacking that it presents unique challenges to well drilled teams. Meaning, what they think "should" be happening rotationally during the press isn't always the case.

Bennett does have a medium sized playbook full of short plays from different parts of the court, with different personnel, and for different situations (fouls to give, need a 3, need a quick 2, etc). Some of these are universal and some get adapted in the lead up to the next opponent.

Y’all always give us fits, in large part because all of Bennett’s offenses (sides, blocker mover, continuity ball screen, and the new triangle) kind of assume a man to man defense. UVA adapts somewhat, but when we aren’t a great 3 point shooting team, we generally don’t have a spectacular answer for your zone.

As for the press, I think our guards were just worn out. It was a big problem in the past that Bennett largely solved, but Beekman and Clark both play north of 35 minutes per game, and the end of a game after a two day turnaround is not a great time for them to need to beat your rangy guards and break out of traps.

Regardless, good game.