30 min for BB, CS, JGIII, JB, ST 10 min for BW

[tbonezone]

and most 2 guards have decent handles not incredibly awkward. JG3 had little help from buddy.

 

[RF2044]

and most 2 guards have decent handles not incredibly awkward. JG3 had little help.

Both things are true. He had little help, and he is limited in terms of his own handle and ability to deal with presssure D.

It's not a criticism of joe, it is what it is. He was miscast in a role he wasn't well suited for, for 3 years. No doubt, playing alongside a shooting guard who wasn't particularly quick himself and couldn't contribute much as a secondary ball handler besides setting himself up for shots didn't help things.

 

[tbonezone]

was rather odd to see jimmy as the backcourt help as opposed to buddy when pressured.

 

[AlaskaSU]

How can Symir not develop a J? He has elite talent handling the ball.. Hope an experienced teacher can work with him all spring, summer and fall. His future basketball earnings depend on it.

 

[Millhouse]

How can Symir not develop a J? He has elite talent handling the ball.. Hope an experienced teacher can work with him all spring, summer and fall. His future basketball earnings depend on it.

JB needs to track down Tim The Target Sullivan again

 

[OttoMets]

joe has a decent handle. he's an above average shooter. his assists are low imo.
but i don't criticize the effort or heart. just feel he was dealt a crummy hand by JB.

You must not watch him close out on shooters!

 

[GoSU96]

Obviously, it's too late now.

But for the first 10 or 12 games, Symir couldn't get off of the bench, it seemed. And when he played, he didn't do much. Then, he started getting some drives to the basket / layups to fall, and it was like all of the sudden he settled down. And JB seemed to quickly gain confidence in him.

The problem is, Buddy wasn't going to sit. Joe wasn't going to sit. And JB3 wasn't going to sit. So it was hard to work Symir in -- we get really small, which sucks for our defensive system. Today, we had no choice. But through the lens of hindsight, maybe the answer to our glaring lead guard problem was on the roster all along.

Back-to-back games with 9 or more assists. Solid ball handling and defense. And kid looks like he could be a double-figure scorer. There was no reason to let JG3 struggle against the press like he did for extended stretches, when this kid was capable of doing what he's shown lately.

To the extent the evaporating leads were a product dead legs, which had to be a factor, absolutely. Problem was the Symir at the end of the year is a different player than we saw early.

this record was the absolute floor for the season. Easily could (should?) have been eight games better. Gtown and Pitt and six blown double digit leads. This was a team with a very good to at times excellent offense that was missing a piece all year, just not the same one in every game. Boruma early, Jessie late. Benny not contributing until late in the year and then getting hurt. End of the year Symir not being the same player from the opening tip.

 

[Millhouse]

To the extent the evaporating leads were a product dead legs, which had to be a factor, absolutely. Problem was the Symir at the end of the year is a different player than we saw early.

this record was the absolute floor for the season. Easily could (should?) have been eight games better. Gtown and Pitt and six blown double digit leads. This was a team with a very good to at times excellent offense that was missing a piece all year, just not the same one in every game. Boruma early, Jessie late. Benny not contributing until late in the year and then getting hurt. End of the year Symir not being the same player from the opening tip.

I'm just very skeptical that anyone can improve that much. He was probably good a few months ago too

If the boeheims don't get in different kinds of trouble with fouls, he doesn't play and everyone would say, well, he must not be ready

 

[GoSU96]

I'm just very skeptical that anyone can improve that much. He was probably good a few months ago too

If the boeheims don't get in different kinds of trouble with fouls, he doesn't play and everyone would say, well, he must not be ready

it‘s not like he didn’t play.

 

[Millhouse]

it‘s not like he didn’t play.

Ok

 

[CousCuse]

Some of Buddy's minutes came at forward when they ran the 3 guard set.

 

[GoSU96]

Ok

He wasn’t as assertive and explosive as he was the last couple of games. If he was playing in games and practice at the same level he’s getting plenty of minutes

 

[FrancoPizza]

The ISO ball will only return if Cole comes back.

If I see ISO Joe, I'm done.

Cole isn't an ISO player. All his good shots came in the rhythm of ball movement.

 

[Millhouse]

He wasn’t as assertive and explosive as he was the last couple of games. If he was playing in games and practice at the same level he’s getting plenty of minutes

He wasn't going to get plenty of minutes this week until all the boeheim foul trouble!

That was magically the moment when he coincidentally happened to get assertive and explosive

We have all heard this story a thousand times before but, honestly, this is by far the goofiest time to go with it

 

[RF2044]

He wasn’t as assertive and explosive as he was the last couple of games. If he was playing in games and practice at the same level he’s getting plenty of minutes

Good post above, but I disagree about Symir.

I do think it took him time to get acclimated, and for the coach to trust him. And once both happened, JB started playing him more. Clearly, he had this capabilities all along -- he didn't just suddenly transform into the player we're seeing now.

Readiness + opportunity = production

 

[CousCuse]

Buddy's "extra" minutes can be attributed to 3 factors: 1. Earlier in the season, Sy was not familiar with all his duties and had to come up to speed. 2. Once he got the schemes, they ran 3 guard sets with Him, Joe and Buddy. 6. Sy was injured and missed game TWICE, forcing Joe and Buddy to play more minutes.

 

[TinyManInside]

I said the same exact thing. It was actually an easy rotation to figure out even for Mr non Rotation.

It is insane to be a pure jump shooting team and play every game with tired legs. You will fade at the end of every game.

Coach used be a truly great talent evaluator, like upper echelon top 1% . He used to be so freaking good at finding and utilizing talent.

Now he has trouble evaluating what he has on his own bench. Back-to-back seasons where he had season-changing talent glued to the bench until his hand was absolutely forced to play the players.

 

[Millhouse]

Coach used be a truly great talent evaluator, like upper echelon top 1% . He used to be so freaking good at finding and utilizing talent.

Now he has trouble evaluating what he has on his own bench. Back-to-back seasons where he had season-changing talent glued to the bench until his hand was absolutely forced to play the players.

Doesn't that make you think something else is going on there? I sometimes disagree with him but I always think he's so smart, I'll never waver in that, I think he's is really a genius

 

[TinyManInside]

Doesn't that make you think something else is going on there? I sometimes disagree with him but I always think he's so smart, I'll never waver in that, I think he's is really a genius

Yes, it makes me think he is 77 years old. The guy was definitely a basketball savant, no question.

 

[Millhouse]

Yes, it makes me think he is 77 years old. The guy was definitely a basketball savant, no question.

I don't see any mental decline. I think he wanted to maximize minutes for his kid and made some weird promises to Girard - it's the girard stuff I don't understand. It's like he knows girard is a 2g but since he can't put him there, he makes it up to him by giving him so many minutes at the 1

 

[djcon57]

I don't see any mental decline. I think he wanted to maximize minutes for his kid and made some weird promises to Girard - it's the girard stuff I don't understand. It's like he knows girard is a 2g but since he can't put him there, he makes it up to him by giving him so many minutes at the 1

If you listened to comments about the AAU game vs Pennys team where Buddy and Joe went off and Roy Williams make some comments...that’s the genesis of all of this. He became infatuated the idea

 

[kcsu]

He wasn’t as assertive and explosive as he was the last couple of games. If he was playing in games and practice at the same level he’s getting plenty of minutes

BS

 

[TinyManInside]

I don't see any mental decline. I think he wanted to maximize minutes for his kid and made some weird promises to Girard - it's the girard stuff I don't understand. It's like he knows girard is a 2g but since he can't put him there, he makes it up to him by giving him so many minutes at the 1

I mean, you just sort of described... oh, nevermind...

 

[Chip]

it‘s not like he didn’t play.

That’s the problem with the quick hook. It’s a luxury for JB, but mentally, it’s not always great for the player. Can’t get into the flow of the game, always looking over your shoulder and/or trying to do too much when you do get in.

 

[tbonezone]

You must not watch him close out on shooters!

it rained just as hard over buddy out top all season. rather bad D scheme for the HOF er.