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Really fun offensive shootout with big plays down the stretch. No defense whatsoever but really fun game to watch unlike ours. Ohio fought back and gave them a game. Credit to both teams.
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It seems like they win every game that I watch by like two points.
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They won't get a high seed. Hell, they may not even make the tournament if they don't win their conference tournament.
They have a NET ranking of 53. They have no Q1 wins. 2-0 Q2. All their wins are Q3 (10) and Q4 (16). Yes, they won them all, but their SOS is 234, and non-conf SOS is 353!
Gonna be tough to get an at-large bid. But I'd love to see them win their tourney so we could see what they do against real competition.
They have a NET ranking of 53. They have no Q1 wins. 2-0 Q2. All their wins are Q3 (10) and Q4 (16). Yes, they won them all, but their SOS is 234, and non-conf SOS is 353!
Gonna be tough to get an at-large bid. But I'd love to see them win their tourney so we could see what they do against real competition.
It will be interesting to see what the committee does if they lose in the conference tournament. And them losing may be more likely than not. As many close games as they’ve played they’re bound to lose one here sooner than later.
I will say I do think bubble teams like Texas A&M, New Mexico, and Cincinnati are likely better than Miami of Ohio and would beat them more times than not on a neutral court. But I’d rather the selection committee reward a team for winning all of their games then put in a team with 12+ losses.
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I'm pretty sure they're in. If they lose their 1/8 matchup in the first round of the MAC tourney with UMass, I bet we see them as an 11 or 12 seed in the First Four. Would be a very compelling game and probably what the network would want anyway.
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It is not Miami's fault that no high majors would play them OOC. Apparently, they tried to get "buy games" against many Power 5 schools, but no "big boys" wanted to play them. Because of their continuing efforts to schedule such a game, they were about the last D-1 school to announce their schedule this year.
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They are a lock. The optics and bad press alone of leaving out a 1 loss team is something no committee member wants any part of. An undefeated regular season regardless of competition level guarantees an at large bid.
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Agree. I mean, if they lose their first game by 20, then maybe. But if they lose a close game in the semis or finals, no chance they leave them out.
(unless they leave them out and then I never posted this, I was hacked).
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No way they aren’t in. J Bilas agrees.
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They’ve tried to schedule UC, but Cincinnati won’t play them
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They deserve an at-large bid if they lose in the MAC, but you are100% right it will be debated heavily and they may not get in.
If you ask me they absolutely deserves to get in, but I have always been in favour of giving the benefit of the doubt to the mid-major or the rare low-major on the bubble line... those P5 teams on the bubble had a full conference season to prove they were 100% worthy of getting in, and they failed at that.
Sure the power conference teams that are on the bubble have some Q1+Q2 wins... but are like 3-8 in Q1 games, or 8-11 in Q1+Q2.
To me any power conference team on the bubble line because of a middling Q1+Q2 record that has one or more Q3 or Q4 loss shouldn't be ahead of Miami. Miami managed to go undefeated against those Q3/Q4 teams. We can't just compare apple and oranges one way.
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They might be better, they probably are. I will say if P4 bubble teams actually had to play a number of Q3 games on the road after January 1 (instead of 0 for many, maybe 1) , they may lose one or two of those games.
But as per my point above, Miami deserves the benefit of the doubt. Those other teams have had their chance to be clear tourney teams.
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If they get in, I agree they are almost 100% getting in one of the first four games. Whether its for TV reasons or not, that is where non P5 teams that appear to be a bit above the bubble line often get downgraded to. So that would certainly be Miami's fate.
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Jay Bilas is no more proficient at selecting NCAA teams than many who follow this closely, (i.e most people on bracket matrix) including myself.
I don't say that in a conceited way... Jay Bilas knows far more about college basketball than me -- analyzing, playing, or college basketball in general. If you want to know how a team could play better, or why its struggling, 100% go to Jay over any of the schmucks on the matrix or myself. If you want to select teams on "eye-test" go to Jay,
But picking NCAA teams is a very systematic / metric based process (generally without "eye-test") that many have able to learn via observation, without being experts in how to play and observe the actual game play like Jay Bilas. Many probably devote more time to this silly "task", than Jay who focuses on a much deeper realm of college basketball.
Mid-major and low-major teams tend to get brutalized seeding wise / bubble wise. They are a consensus 10.64 seed per the bracket matrix. And that is before a loss (if it were to happen)
Do I think they deserve to get in? Yes, because I always prefer mid-major bubble teams over P5 teams that couldn't prove they were above the bubble line. But that typically does not happen.
Do I think they will get in? Its probably 50/50.
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A sound argument (on the surface). But the NCAA committee doesn't seem to be worried about optics in the past.
We will see if a 1 loss team is any different - there has never been a 1 loss team on the bubble as long as I have followed this.
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