384k per year

[ar inj]

If you disbursed Autry’s salary among the starters, who coaches the team, a volunteer? I’m not saying that wouldn’t be better. Just that it’s unlikely—he’d have to already be well-off, or a retiree….

Player/coach. Could it be any worse?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Player/coach. Could it be any worse?

I vote Petar.

 

[Scooch]

In previous generations it made sense as part of a university mission to seek excellence in all human endeavors.

Now... it's not necessarily excellence that's sought.

I’m not sure that’s been the case for football and men’s hoops since WWII ended. But I get your point.

I just find it funny how people are constantly aghast at the current state of college sports. I mean, we all spent last weekend watching college teams play in front of 80,000 people, for a TV audience of millions, accruing tens of millions of dollars for their institutions, and we all pretend that’s totally normal. That it’d be better if the guys playing just got scholarships and had to sit out a year to transfer like the old days (of 6 years ago).

The whole thing is surreal and bizarre. And it’s been that way my entire life.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

With only 13 scholarship players the mode/median are better measures than average.

 

[Cusefan0307]

SU is working behind the scenes to get ready to pay players. I just had a conversation with an SU employee about this Friday. In fact they prefer this model over NIL only.

 

[CuseCPT]

College sports is a thing of the past. It's pro sports where success is now mainly determined by money to buy and retain the best players. It's dead and buried -- like the SU basketball program. Maybe I'd be happier if I was an alumni of one of the SEC or B1G giant state universities athletic factories that will forever dominate now.

College sports became pro sports the first time coaches cashed sneaker checks and ADs cashed ESPN checks.

 

[djorange1989]

What is Autry stealing from the school? 2 mil per? That's 400k per starter that could go to the players.

We have the biggest stadium and in some ways biggest fanbase. I don't expect the highest pay roll or most expensive coach but it's time for the basketball program to not subsidize the field hockey team.

Football subsidizes field hockey and everything else

 

[Toga]

I believe this season our guys actually pay into the NIL fund. Performance based.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I’m not sure that’s been the case for football and men’s hoops since WWII ended. But I get your point.

I just find it funny how people are constantly aghast at the current state of college sports. I mean, we all spent last weekend watching college teams play in front of 80,000 people, for a TV audience of millions, accruing tens of millions of dollars for their institutions, and we all pretend that’s totally normal. That it’d be better if the guys playing just got scholarships and had to sit out a year to transfer like the old days (of 6 years ago).

The whole thing is surreal and bizarre. And it’s been that way my entire life.

Totally. And the US is the weird one. Other countries don't do it this way.

I don't know anything about anything, but go with what I'm about to lay out.

My hypothesis over identifying when it got weird is to pinpoint when the value between the scholarship was surpassed by the value the student-athletes provided.

That didn't happen back when being a spectator meant going in person or listening on the radio. It was after that. Even once a team occasionally appeared on TV it was probably pretty close.

The tipping point would have been when games moved from being contests to becoming broadcast inventory. We can blame ND for having an exclusive contract with NBC. The rise of cable and multiple channels broadcasting sports definitely put the scholarship to value relationship out of whack. Satellite blew it open even more, then the Internet and social media cranked it to 11.

The NCAA and the schools could have been proactive about laying a foundation for something that makes more sense, but instead they were content to milk the cash cow.

 

[Arangeman]

Football subsidizes field hockey and everything else

Not for long

 

[Zelda Zonk]

SU is working behind the scenes to get ready to pay players. I just had a conversation with an SU employee about this Friday. In fact they prefer this model over NIL only.

Tuition goes up, what, like 6k per person? That ought to get us into the tournament. Oh, except all the other teams will do the same. We will need new excuses next year.

 

[Scooch]

Totally. And the US is the weird one. Other countries don't do it this way.

I don't know anything about anything, but go with what I'm about to lay out.

My hypothesis over identifying when it got weird is to pinpoint when the value between the scholarship was surpassed by the value the student-athletes provided.

That didn't happen back when being a spectator meant going in person or listening on the radio. It was after that. Even once a team occasionally appeared on TV it was probably pretty close.

The tipping point would have been when games moved from being contests to becoming broadcast inventory. We can blame ND for having an exclusive contract with NBC. The rise of cable and multiple channels broadcasting sports definitely put the scholarship to value relationship out of whack. Satellite blew it open even more, then the Internet and social media cranked it to 11.

The NCAA and the schools could have been proactive about laying a foundation for something that makes more sense, but instead they were content to milk the cash cow.

That would have been in 1984 when SCOTUS ruled in the case of the NCAa v. Georgia and Oklahoma. After that it was a television free for all.

NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[OttoMets]

I vote Petar.

He seems like a student of the game.

 

[ar inj]

Totally. And the US is the weird one. Other countries don't do it this way.

I don't know anything about anything, but go with what I'm about to lay out.

My hypothesis over identifying when it got weird is to pinpoint when the value between the scholarship was surpassed by the value the student-athletes provided.

That didn't happen back when being a spectator meant going in person or listening on the radio. It was after that. Even once a team occasionally appeared on TV it was probably pretty close.

The tipping point would have been when games moved from being contests to becoming broadcast inventory. We can blame ND for having an exclusive contract with NBC. The rise of cable and multiple channels broadcasting sports definitely put the scholarship to value relationship out of whack. Satellite blew it open even more, then the Internet and social media cranked it to 11.

The NCAA and the schools could have been proactive about laying a foundation for something that makes more sense, but instead they were content to milk the cash cow.

The first and longest running collegiate sporting event and rivalry — the Harvard v Yale regatta meets your definition.
It was in part sponsored by a railroad which than turned a profit transporting fans to and from Lake Winnipesaukee.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The first and longest running collegiate sporting event and rivalry — the Harvard v Yale regatta meets your definition.
It was in part sponsored by a railroad which than turned a profit transporting fans to and from Lake Winnipesaukee.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Sad

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Sad

Get some icecream, Pumpkin.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That would have been in 1984 when SCOTUS ruled in the case of the NCAa v. Georgia and Oklahoma. After that it was a television free for all.

NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

No way! Looks like I didn't do too bad for not actually knowing anything.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Looks like I didn't do too bad for not actually knowing anything.

That might be the title of my autobiography.

 

[rrlbees]

Where’s Syracuse in this equation?

Like everyone else. $20m across all sports. The estimate is across all schools 90% will go to football and basketball.

 

[Scooch]

I should know this... do the NIL collectives go away once schools start paying players directly?

 

[Cusefan0307]

I should know this... do the NIL collectives go away once schools start paying players directly?

No

 

[Col. Bleep]

College ball is now pro ball...players are paid to play.

SU should be proactive and do a development deal with one or more NBA teams.
They help choose the recruits and transfers...a year before they otherwise could be involved with them.
For a price, of course...payable to the university.

And let's forget about the BS of attending classes...

 

[Scooch]

No

Ahhh. Well that's bad for SU.