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Message: [QUOTE="elimunelson, post: 4796721, member: 615"] In defense of '12 vs say 93 and 94 was how that season finished and the fallout after. We were on a heater at the end of that year and it felt like Marrone was just starting to cook finally. 93 finished like the sound of a fart slowly winding down and 94 we just ran out of gas offensively (yet 93 and 94 we had better winning %). I do think we collectively have PTWD (post traumatic winning disorder). Dino has been a sturdy presence around the program and has been really clever in not allowing himself to be taken down by the mediocrity. He just sails above it because the program is never in the cross hair of bad publicity, bad actors, etc. I think the way college football is going, i'm with scooch on the idea that it doesn't matter really morality wise if we are altar boys or cowboys. It's a winning trumps everything model now. And winning can mean constant churn. [/QUOTE]