4th down

[PoppyHart]

DM made the incorrect call to go for it the first time, and was pot committed by the time the second chance came around. There was more than enough time to establish dominance.

 

[Stern]

take the points is a stupid cliche.

perfect example of people substituting a question they can answer for one they can't. what strategy maximizes your expected points given various probabilities? i don't know substitute question- what strategy maximizes your chance of getting any points? kick

Cliche? What are you talking about. It's just Football 101. Up 4 late in a game kick the 3 to get up 7.

 

[BORZAK]

What plays we're going to run in goal line situations? Yeah, I think coaches plan those out to the extent they can considering down/distance/score.

Nice caps, could you make the font bigger though?

answer the question please, I would like to know and learn.



















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[Ghost]

field goals are worth less than 3 from a expected points standpoint (sure you got three, but the other team gets the ball in decent field position which is worth something positive to them)

turning over on downs at the 1 doesn't get you any points of course, but the other teams expected points having the ball on their one is negative.

stony brook couldn't do anything with that field position

I suppose looking at their second half it would be reasonable to assume the defense could hold them, but at the same time we have shown a propensity for giving up the big play.

Hell, Stony Brook had two 60+ yard scoring plays.

If you have 4th and 3, up 4, I think you have to take the points with how our offense was playing at the time, and the way we've been giving up big plays. I can see your point, but this team is horribly inconsistent.

 

[Ghost]

answer the question please, I would like to know and learn.

This is a weird line of questioning since I'm saying the coaches should or do plan these things out. Obviously they may see something specific they can exploit, but I think they do consider such things prior to these situations arising.

I never said that I do, or that fans do in general, or that I have been licensed by the Moderators to instruct people as to the different options we have available in goal to go situations.

 

[baggerbob]

How can you say take the points when our kicker botched 2 chip shots in the dome? Its not rocket science not a bad field, no wind and he misses both. Right now the only kicking, I want him doing is extra points,he probably would have gotten a field goal blocked for a TD.

 

[Stern]

How can you say take the points when our kicker botched 2 chip shots in the dome? Its not rocket science not a bad field, no wind and he misses both. Right now the only kicking, I want him doing is extra points,he probably would have gotten a field goal blocked for a TD.

Chip shots? They were 40+ yards! Give me a break.

Those kicks Doug passed on were extra points!!

 

[orangencpolice]

I disagree. I think that early in the second half, you try the field goad from the three yard line. The first reason is for the points and the second is to give Krautman some confidence. The first one off the bottom post was unfortunate but the second miss was bad. I think letting Krautman redeem himself on the three yard line does a world of good. I had no problem with going for it on the one yard line, but the playcalling was way to predictable. SB had three linebackers stacked in the box right up close. They knew the play before it was ran. I'm just glad we got the "W".

 

[Cuseregular]

Really amazing that people don't know the difference between the 4th down vs rutgirls last year, the 4th and 2 vs USC last week and the 4th downs today. Some called for going for it, some didn't. Situation, ahead or behind, who you are playing, score, etc all make a difference. We made a mistake last year, were wrong vs USC, wrong on the 4th and 3 today but were right on the 4th and 1 today. We're batting .250.

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yep somewhere Millhouse is twisting in the wind. And on the one we got right the play was ridiculous. STony 9 in the box, us under center for what the first or second time this year, instead of having 2 TE's in, a FB and the TB 5-7 yards back to allow him to gain momentum, nope we spread the field with 3 receivers, put the the TB back there solo 3-4 yards back and have him go over our worst tackle (77). Surprise we don't make it. So that makes your .250 and .100

 

[rrlbees]

Does anyone really think, any of the good and great runners we have had, don't score against that team inside the 10? All 3 of our rb's on the 1987 team score there, carter scores the 2 running backs Smith and PTG, nice players but don't bring enough to the table.PTG will be most effective like Bailey was 2 yrs ago, smith should be a backup, the 4th 1 studerstepped before he hit the hole.

Marrone blamed the line.

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[PhatOrange]

The worse part about the play call was running right over foy and Lou.

The first 4th down series was a bad call to in that it was a one yard pass with three guys draped on him. If nassib doesn't panic though he's got another wr open in the back left corner behind lemon. Oh well.

The second 4th down series was terrible set of plays though. We were running wild All day getting to the outside, why not do that inside the five hard line instead of running over your freshman and poor right tackle.

 

[BORZAK]

This is a weird line of questioning since I'm saying the coaches should or do plan these things out. Obviously they may see something specific they can exploit, but I think they do consider such things prior to these situations arising.

I never said that I do, or that fans do in general, or that I have been licensed by the Moderators to instruct people as to the different options we have available in goal to go situations.

No you thought it was simple and even you could make these calls without error. Educate me, where did you aquire your knowledge and learn the proper decisions on the vast amount of plays you think are in error. I truely want to know.

 

[Ghost]

No you thought it was simple and even you could make these calls without error. Educate me, where did you aquire your knowledge and learn the proper decisions on the vast amount of plays you think are in error. I truely want to know.

Not to be a jerk, but you're getting a little annoying.

Here was the post I responded to:

not that upset with going for it.. didnt think the entire set of plays was well thought out especially the second set.

Those sequences should have been thought out 1000 times before gameday. I don't know, disappointed in both possessions.

I never said they should have been thought out be ME. I have a job I get paid for, I really don't have the time to think about designing plays for Syracuse to run in goal line situations. It just isn't a priority in my life yet.

I never said I could make the calls without error - I don't even have any plays to run to be honest (again, I don't get paid to do it).

I did say that those sequences should have been considered and well thought out beforehand by the people that are paid do so. I don't really see why this is such a bothersome concept for you. You think they should wing it more often? Like, "it's 4th and 1 from the 2, we're down 2, hmmmmmmm, let's just try a hail mary" type winging it? I think they consider down/distance/score situations a lot - I think they have plays/plans for those situations - or should.

Now if you're arguing about the 1,000 times, I just picked that number randomly - I just meant a lot - not literally 1,000 times.

Is that helpful, at all? As far as me second guessing a football coach, I'm on a forum, it's what I do for fun.