63rd yards per play, 110th yards per game (vs fbs)

[Millhouse]

That is unreal. Play faster, fire joe Adam, and find a linebacker who can take a handoff. Either that or just play your normal offense.

You try to shorten games, you end up in nail biters

 

[upperdeck]

again. do the stats show we are playing slow or is this just based on number of plays?

 

[CUSU]

That is unreal. Play faster, fire joe Adam, and find a linebacker who can take a handoff. Either that or just play your normal offense.

You try to shorten games, you end up in nail biters

I feel like some of this is the defenses lack of ability to get off the field, more so than offensive pace. More than half of the 4th quarter Pitt had the ball on one possession. Same with some other past games.

 

[Millhouse]

I feel like some of this is the defenses lack of ability to get off the field, more so than offensive pace. More than half of the 4th quarter Pitt had the ball on one possession. Same with some other past games.

It's something we can control. The defense stinks so they won't get off the field

 

[TheCusian]

again. do the stats show we are playing slow or is this just based on number of plays?

Yeah - I'm not sure it's intentional. I think they play D to not give up the big play at times and/or can't get off the field.

That said, I'd love to see us go faster like we did in the 2 min drill at the end of this half. This offense works better when teams are on their heels.

 

[Millhouse]

again. do the stats show we are playing slow or is this just based on number of plays?

Don't have those stats but they are not a hurry up, you don't need numbers to see that

 

[TheCusian]

Don't have those stats but they are not a hurry up, you don't need numbers to see that

Yeah - but if you're implying they go slow on purpose?

 

[K Otto XLIV]

It has to do with the D. I have never been a fan of Shafer's style of D. I would guess that if there was a stat out there for average TOP per drive given up our D would be pretty low that last 7 years. You cannot outscore the other team if you never have the ball. I rather SU play a Schiano style D where it is a 3 & out (do we EVER get those?), a TO, or a TD.

 

[GoSU96]

That is unreal. Play faster, fire joe Adam, and find a linebacker who can take a handoff. Either that or just play your normal offense.

You try to shorten games, you end up in nail biters

They did play a bit quicker, they weren't huddling and waiting until deep in the clock, what they can't do is have two picks and two deep redzone drives end with FG's given the short number of possessions per game.

And they need to figure and out a 4 play package of short yardage power plays.

I wouldn't use one of our LB's, use somebody from the DL as a lead blocker out of the I.

Reagan for President OL coach.

 

[Millhouse]

Yeah - but if you're implying they go slow on purpose?

I think Lester remembers being bad as a freshman and shafer wants to keep a bad defense off the field. So they want to limit number of plays. Cubit ism requires huddles to get so tricky, I bet also

 

[Millhouse]

They did play a bit quicker, they weren't huddling and waiting until deep in the clock, what they can't do is have two picks and two deep redzone drives end with FG's given the short number of possessions per game.

And they need to figure and out a 4 play package of short yardage power plays.

I wouldn't use one of our LB's, use somebody from the DL as a lead blocker out of the I.

Reagan for President OL coach.

Short fg stink but they aren't why there are few plays. Ints, yes that's true. Bad fumble luck also. I think a faster pace might help them keep chains moving

 

[GoSU96]

Short fg stink but they aren't why there are few plays. Ints, yes that's true. Bad fumble luck also. I think a faster pace might help them keep chains moving

They are improving on 3rd down. Their per drive performance isn't awful. If they want to win they either have to score on more of their limited drives or do a better job getting off the field. I'm not sure playing fast in and of itself solves anything.

If the defense was more efficient I'd be all for ramping up the tempo, which was better yesterday.

 

[Millhouse]

They are improving on 3rd down. Their per drive performance isn't awful. If they want to win they either have to score on more of their limited drives or do a better job getting off the field. I'm not sure playing fast in and of itself solves anything.

If the defense was more efficient I'd be all for ramping up the tempo, which was better yesterday.

Moving whigham, less h back choreography was good. Too bad that progress didn't come against usf and uva

 

[GoSU96]

Moving whigham, less h back choreography was good. Too bad that progress didn't come against usf and uva

It was five or six games in, not sure why it's a bad thing they are self scouting and figuring out what they can and can't do well and dropping the nonsense.

That's what scrimmages are for.

 

[Millhouse]

It was five or six games in, not sure why it's a bad thing they are self scouting and figuring out what they can and can't do well and dropping the nonsense.

That's what scrimmages are for.

Seems like you're contradicting yourself, I'm not following

 

[GoSU96]

Seems like you're contradicting yourself, I'm not following

You said it was a shame they didn't start doing this sooner.

It's the point I made last week, they are figuring this out.

The scrimmages point is that this years record doesn't really matter, at least to me, it's all about getting young kids in the secondary reps, which they did, a lot of rotation, and Lester and Dungey figuring it out.

 

[Millhouse]

You said it was a shame they didn't start doing this sooner.

It's the point I made last week, they are figuring this out.

The scrimmages point is that this years record doesn't really matter, at least to me, it's all about getting young kids in the secondary reps, which they did, a lot of rotation, and Lester and Dungey figuring it out.

I don't like wasting seasons waiting for a nobody to figure this stuff out.

 

[GoSU96]

I don't like wasting seasons waiting for a nobody to figure this stuff out.

If the only issue was the offense not scoring enough points it might be a bigger problem, but it isn't the only issue so no reason to get all that worked up about.

Yesterday was good game, very entertaining, both side made plays, just not enough.

The offense is a good watch.

Elements that are missing, short yardage/close redzone, deep middle pass game.

Elements that still need improvement, 3rd down, run game.

Some of those plays to Ishmael were big time, high level stuff. Dungey dropped in to perfect deep sideline throws, one called back on offensive PI the other clanked off a guys ear hole because he didn't even try to get his head around. There haven't been two better deep throws in one game since Graves was here.

 

[supp]

That is unreal. Play faster, fire joe Adam, and find a linebacker who can take a handoff. Either that or just play your normal offense.

You try to shorten games, you end up in nail biters

What the stats show is that they're more functional on offense than last year. The stats also show that they're much worse on defense. This should dictate every coaching decision that's made, i.e. more aggressive on offensive possessions and special teams every time out to compensate for horrendous defense. The defense was okay yesterday except at the end of each half and that's why they lost by 3 rather than 20. As a staff, they have to come to terms with this and adjust their strategy accordingly. The d is not going to come around enough to play it safe on offense or special teams.

 

[TheCusian]

I think Lester remembers being bad as a freshman and shafer wants to keep a bad defense off the field. So they want to limit number of plays. Cubit ism requires huddles to get so tricky, I bet also

I think you're right on the first two. They are protecting Dungey a bit and Shafer is very aware of the defenses shortcomings.

I don't think trick plays require huddles. They are good at getting the play in and ready quick no matter what the call. Not like Dungey is using sticks in the sand. Also: There have been very few delay of game calls this year.

 

[TheCusian]

Moving whigham, less h back choreography was good. Too bad that progress didn't come against usf and uva

Compared to McDonald, Lester's ability to ditch stuff that nots working is pretty great. He sees the same data we do and is not too proud to ditch the stuff that's not working.

 

[TheCusian]

I don't like wasting seasons waiting for a nobody to figure this stuff out.

If it was that easy everybody would be Baylor and you'd be out of a job

 

[TheCusian]

If the only issue was the offense not scoring enough points it might be a bigger problem, but it isn't the only issue so no reason to get all that worked up about. Yesterday was good game, very entertaining, both side made plays, just not enough. The offense is a good watch. Elements that are missing, short yardage/close redzone, deep middle pass game. Elements that still need improvement, 3rd down, run game. Some of those plays to Ishmael were big time, high level stuff. Dungey dropped in to perfect deep sideline throws, one called back on offensive PI the other clanked off a guys ear hole because he didn't even try to get his head around. There haven't been two better deep throws in one game since Graves was here.

Deep middle is there. They run it off of play action.

 

[money3189]

If Parris catches that stick route and doesnt let the ball get picked we go on and score to make it 24-13 get the win and this thread would have never been started. We are over analyzing people. The defense have to get off the field. We have youth at the skill positions. That is the cause for some of those stats.

 

[Dcuse]

Seems like you're contradicting yourself, I'm not following

Well, while we're on the subject, I NEVER understand what you're trying to say. Nobody does. Where do you find these rankings. If we are that low in ypg it's because of defense and not offense. Yards per play? Did you make that up? Because it makes no sense to me. Understand this..our problem is on defense,not offense.