Over 84,000 fans watched the Orangemen play during the 6 days spanning Gtown, Uconn and the Ville. I find that simply incredible. Hoops drives the bus in orange land. Football is becoming an expensive drain on our resources when you consider it's inherent overhead. I just pray Gross doesn't the hoops program. It's the golden goose.
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No reason not to now...
I love football too. My point is we can be great in hoops due to our ability to recruit the northeastern corridor. However in football the best we can hope for is to be good, not great. The recruits are in SEC country, not the Northeast.
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I see what you did there.
I don't want to speak for elkeed, but I'm assuming his point -- which is something I wholeheartedly agree with -- was that it seems strange that we make decisions based on football. Yes, yes I get that football TV contracts make money, etc. But we are leaving an exceedingly well-established brand and marriage (Syracuse hoops and the big east) and going to the ACC. Great hoops conference? Well, at least based on reputations, yes. But how do we fit there? Where are the conference tourneys? How much are people going to really grow into budding rivalries with the NC States and Ga Tech's of the world?
Football is fine but we weren't selling out when we had McNabb and were in the top 25. We're leaving a basketball identity and rich history behind to jump at a bunch o' money and a bunch of unknowns.
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Here's the thing. If we don't jump ship now, we go down with the NBE later - our basketball program would suffer also. This is saving our @$$ in addition to getting 3x the money.
Absolutely agree. A move that has to be made but still a distinct loss in some ways. Have to move but it's a bummer.
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Basketball involves up to 13 scholarship players. Football has a limit of 85. Football is dominated by state schools with low tution and admission requirements comapred to private schools. In basketball private schools can be just as good. Fottball is dominated by faciltieis and recruiting budgets. Those things help in basketball but they are not as dominant a factor. the Carrier Dome is the largest on-campus basketball arena in the coutnry by a good margin. It's mid-size football stadium at best.
There are plenty of football prospects in the northeast but most of them are not from o9ur home state. However with the move to the ACC the prospect of bringing in significant numbers of players from down the coast exists. And now that the Big East is no logner really an eastern conference, more eastern recruits might want to sign with an ACC team rather than a Big East team. We can hope, anyway.
I think SU's talent level in football will probably never be better than it was in the 90's. But that's fine. We were pretty good back then. All we really needed was a little more consistency.
There are plenty of football prospects in the northeast but most of them are not from o9ur home state. However with the move to the ACC the prospect of bringing in significant numbers of players from down the coast exists. And now that the Big East is no logner really an eastern conference, more eastern recruits might want to sign with an ACC team rather than a Big East team. We can hope, anyway.
I think SU's talent level in football will probably never be better than it was in the 90's. But that's fine. We were pretty good back then. All we really needed was a little more consistency.
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Excellent point, a lot of fans lose sight of the public vs private schism. A good example is Northwestern as the only Private school in the Big 10. Another is Vanderbilt in the SEC. Both have short bursts of excellence but it hard to maintain longterm.
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Stanford? Notre Dame? Miami? (Miami will be back, trust me).
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And USC. And we'd kill for the last decade that Northwestern has had at this point.
I wonder what the folks whining about leaving the Big East would be saying if it was UConn and Pitt to the ACC, and we were stuck in a Big East with Houston and SMU and Boise State (or whoever the it is, frankly I don't care anymore because it's not our hand to play any longer...). I know some have the dilusional world view that if Syracuse didn't jump somehow that would have stopped all conference expansion, so I'm really only interested in the opinions of people that are, ya know, sane - and realize we were either going to the ACC or going to get stuck in the Big East with some very non-eastern schools.
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Those schools endowments are measured in billions while Syracuse's is in millions, are they not? So are the endowments of Vanderbilt, Northwestern and USC.
Syracuse's endowment is more comparable to Tulane.
Also, Stanford was 1-10 in 2006 and was a middling at best until the last couple years which reinforces Lenn's point.
There is no doubt in my mind that it is harder to compete as a private.
edit: I guess UofM isn't as rich as I thought, but they still have the supersignifigant football recruiting advantage of being in Florida. They also cheated, remember?
And when will ND be back? It's been twenty years since they have been relevant nationally.How many coaches have they burned thru since Lou Holtz. 5 ?
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Or that football has had over 80k in ORANGE fans in one weeks time.
Despite being down, football continues to make money. If the program gets back to top 25, it could actually make more money than our elite bball program. When we won the NC, we made 750k. When we made it to a top bowl, we made millions and shared in all the bowl money from the conference.
Despite being down, football continues to make money. If the program gets back to top 25, it could actually make more money than our elite bball program. When we won the NC, we made 750k. When we made it to a top bowl, we made millions and shared in all the bowl money from the conference.
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The post about the SMU box score is all I need to know. If we didn't leave UConn would have. The Big East is a burning building.
And personally, I live and die for SU hoops. Football? Eh, we will never win a National Title, so who cares?
And personally, I live and die for SU hoops. Football? Eh, we will never win a National Title, so who cares?
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Some of us are lacrosse fans too.
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I'm just not one of those guys who cares about winning the Peach Bowl. Trust me, I used to be, but they lost me long ago. Hoops? Live and die. Football? Eh. Sorry. I'm certainly not alone.
Hell I grew up never missing a game on the radio. I loved it. They lost me. I'm a bigger lacrosse fan.
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Football will be back and the attendance numbers will increase simply by moving to the ACC initially regardless of how good we are. I have said this before having the same teams come into the dome every year or other year have gotten a bit stale to your average fan. When teams like Clemson, Miami, NC State, Georgia Tech, BC, UNC, Maryland, etc start playing here curiosity will certainly take center stage and you will see people come out in droves. Why? Because its a change. How long will it last if we continue to struggle? Probably not long but the numbers at first will certainly be better.
With that said I do think we have become a basketball school and have been for the past 25 years. The Dome is known for basketball and its the first thing people think of when they hear the words Carrier Dome. They dont think "football team".
Take tradition aside, we are a basketball school and I dont see that as being a bad thing especially with the potential that the football team has by moving to the ACC.
With that said I do think we have become a basketball school and have been for the past 25 years. The Dome is known for basketball and its the first thing people think of when they hear the words Carrier Dome. They dont think "football team".
Take tradition aside, we are a basketball school and I dont see that as being a bad thing especially with the potential that the football team has by moving to the ACC.
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ND is always "nationally relevent".
They have their own TV network, and they sell out every bowl game they get invited to.