84,000 reasons why hoops rules on the hill

[longtimefan]

Or that football has had over 80k in ORANGE fans in one weeks time.

Despite being down, football continues to make money. If the program gets back to top 25, it could actually make more money than our elite bball program. When we won the NC, we made 750k. When we made it to a top bowl, we made millions and shared in all the bowl money from the conference.

Not sure how much of your post is factual.

I am not sure the FB program is in the black. The overhead is unbelievable.

I believe the '03 hoops team made more than 750K .

I doubt we netted all that much, regardless of what bowl we went to.

Now, going to to the ACC is going to help the FB bottom line considerably.

 

[CusefanATL]

Over 84,000 fans watched the Orangemen play during the 6 days spanning Gtown, Uconn and the Ville. I find that simply incredible. Hoops drives the bus in orange land. Football is becoming an expensive drain on our resources when you consider it's inherent overhead. I just pray Gross doesn't the hoops program. It's the golden goose.

You do understand that 2 average football games from this year would have been 81,000, right?

Add in our marquee away game (as ville was for Bball) USC who prob had 85,000 people alone.

Basketball is so fun to follow and we are very lucky to make a solid profit from, but football always has been and always will be the golden goose. Time to make it a perennial top 25 team again.

 

[SUJazz44]

Ahhh it would be nice to have a top 25 football team and a top 5 basketball team. I'd wear orange every day of the week.

Did you see the Channel 9 video of the girl who has worn Orange for 63 straight days? I know that chick, she's hardcore and doesn't need a reason to wear Orange, except that she loves to do so...just sayin...Orange and blue is a considerable part of my wardrobe as well.

 

[OttoMets]

Not sure how much of your post is factual.

I am not sure the FB program is in the black. The overhead is unbelievable.

I believe the '03 hoops team made more than 750K .

I doubt we netted all that much, regardless of what bowl we went to.

Now, going to to the ACC is going to help the FB bottom line considerably.

I think you're right that the football team loses money. Most schools' football programs are money-losers.

 

[Townie72]

You do understand that 2 average football games from this year would have been 81,000, right?

Add in our marquee away game (as ville was for Bball) USC who prob had 85,000 people alone.

Basketball is so fun to follow and we are very lucky to make a solid profit from, but football always has been and always will be the golden goose. Time to make it a perennial top 25 team again.

Forget about Revenue and concentrate on PROFIT.

SU BB draws 440,000 plus at home and costs a fraction of what the FB program does.

You can run a college basketball program for the cost of the athletic tape the football team uses.

 

[orangecuse]

ACC. Great hoops conference? Well, at least based on reputations, yes. But how do we fit there? Where are the conference tourneys? How much are people going to really grow into budding rivalries with the NC States and Ga Tech's of the world?

I think the Wolfpack and Yellow Jackets can be very good future Rivals, not to mention a considerable amount of the fan base now resides in the Carolinas, along with Atlanta. It's easy to pick out teams you mention, but do we really care about playing Providence, Seton Hall, USF, Depaul, Rutgers, even Marquette for that matter. We play many of these ACC schools in lax and are some of our better rivals in that sport, Maryland, UVA, Duke, UNC, so why not eventually in hoops and football too.

 

[AlaskaSU]

Those schools endowments are measured in billions while Syracuse's is in millions, are they not? So are the endowments of Vanderbilt, Northwestern and USC.

Syracuse's endowment is more comparable to Tulane.

Also, Stanford was 1-10 in 2006 and was a middling at best until the last couple years which reinforces Lenn's point.

There is no doubt in my mind that it is harder to compete as a private.

edit: I guess UofM isn't as rich as I thought, but they still have the supersignifigant football recruiting advantage of being in Florida. They also cheated, remember?

We blew a big portion of our endowment in the .com bubble.

 

[billsin01]

I think the Wolfpack and Yellow Jackets can be very good future Rivals, not to mention a considerable amount of the fan base now resides in the Carolinas, along with Atlanta. It's easy to pick out teams you mention, but do we really care about playing Providence, Seton Hall, USF, Depaul, Rutgers, even Marquette for that matter. We play many of these ACC schools in lax and are some of our better rivals in that sport, Maryland, UVA, Duke, UNC, so why not eventually in hoops and football too.

My point is more the traditional rivalries are worth something and they don't develop overnight. Duke/UNC will be exciting from Day 1 but there is absolutely no geographical proximity. Sure, G'town and/or Pitt aren't particularly close but they are in metro areas with a bunch of alumni. (G'town games used to be basically home games until the new tix policies.) UConn is a northeast school, the Johnnies play at MSG. And don't undersell Marquette -- 7 straight 20+ win/NCAA tourney seasons and a final four appearance in 2003. A lot of those ACC schools would DIE for that consistency in hoops.

The move had to be made. It's fine. But I swear there is something organically interesting and marketable about big east basketball. The BET is a good example -- I'd argue that it's the only college sporting event that NYC actually cares about. That is saying something from a marketing standpoint.

 

[billsin01]

ND is always "nationally relevent".

They have their own TV network, and they sell out every bowl game they get invited to.

Not to mention someone starts an ND thread on this board once a week. I think they win a bit more than people realize but clearly aren't a national power right now. But relevancy is a different issue. ND at it's lowest point towers over SU at it's finest hour. Harsh truth.

 

[billsin01]

Forget about Revenue and concentrate on PROFIT.

SU BB draws 440,000 plus at home and costs a fraction of what the FB program does.

You can run a college basketball program for the cost of the athletic tape the football team uses.

Yeah, the key is cost to run a program. I find it hard to believe the hoops team doesn't at least equal the football team currently. a huge ACC football tv deal could change things significantly and that's good. But the math is not nearly as simple as "A bowl game pays $775K"!!!

 

[billsin01]

And USC. And we'd kill for the last decade that Northwestern has had at this point.

I wonder what the folks whining about leaving the Big East would be saying if it was UConn and Pitt to the ACC, and we were stuck in a Big East with Houston and SMU and Boise State (or whoever the **** it is, frankly I don't care anymore because it's not our hand to play any longer...). I know some have the dilusional world view that if Syracuse didn't jump somehow that would have stopped all conference expansion, so I'm really only interested in the opinions of people that are, ya know, sane - and realize we were either going to the ACC or going to get stuck in the Big East with some very non-eastern schools.

I'm sure I'm one of those considered a 'whiner' but it has nothing to do with the move itself, which had to be made. It's the way of the world. My point is more that I'm not sure many folks -- on this board or those making conference alignment decisions -- realize how rare it is to build what the Big East built in football nor how cool it is to play that conference tourney in NYC and actually have NYC care about it to some degree. That recognition means something -- to recruits, boosters, advertisers, etc.

We had to make the move and I'm sure it will be fine. I just generally think the blatant disregard for geographic location is a mistake long-term even though under the guise of 'picking up markets' (a completely BS notion to begin with) is what is driving the contracts today.

 

[orangecuse]

My point is more the traditional rivalries are worth something and they don't develop overnight. Duke/UNC will be exciting from Day 1 but there is absolutely no geographical proximity. Sure, G'town and/or Pitt aren't particularly close but they are in metro areas with a bunch of alumni. (G'town games used to be basically home games until the new tix policies.) UConn is a northeast school, the Johnnies play at MSG. And don't undersell Marquette -- 7 straight 20+ win/NCAA tourney seasons and a final four appearance in 2003. A lot of those ACC schools would DIE for that consistency in hoops.

The move had to be made. It's fine. But I swear there is something organically interesting and marketable about big east basketball. The BET is a good example -- I'd argue that it's the only college sporting event that NYC actually cares about. That is saying something from a marketing standpoint.

Go to the BET annually and meet my buddies...completely agree that it's a great, great event. As far as the Johnnies and Hoyas are concerned, I truly believe we will be playing them annually in an out of conference affair...UConn as well, but maybe not quite as often...

I get it relative to metro areas and alums there, but some of these future venues are just a few hours drive from DC or a quick easy flight along the east coast.

Not underselling Marquette in anyway and their achievements, just saying that I do not think our fan base gets too reved up about playing a junior college transfer program from Wisconsin.

 

[310Pigpen]

Did you see the Channel 9 video of the girl who has worn Orange for 63 straight days? I know that chick, she's hardcore and doesn't need a reason to wear Orange, except that she loves to do so...just sayin...Orange and blue is a considerable part of my wardrobe as well.

Yeah, I have more style than that.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

We blew a big portion of our endowment in the .com bubble.

Actually, the SU endowment recovered from the .com debacle. It was the housing bubble that really did us in. BUt SU is recovering from that as well. The NACABO report for 2011 puts the SU endowment at 914 million dollars.

The SU endowment is bigger than Miami's (720 million), but smaller than Tulane's (slightly over 1 billion). Stanford (at 16.5 billion) trumps all private BCS schools in the endowment sweepstakes.

For the most recent endowment data go here:

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/res...wment_Market_Values_Final_January_17_2012.pdf

Or don't. Your choice.

 

[SWC75]

Actually, the SU endowment recovered from the .com debacle. It was the housing bubble that really did us in. BUt SU is recovering from that as well. The NACABO report for 2011 puts the SU endowment at 914 million dollars.

The SU endowment is bigger than Miami's (720 million), but smaller than Tulane's (slightly over 1 billion). Stanford (at 16.5 billion) trumps all private BCS schools in the endowment sweepstakes.

For the most recent endowment data go here:

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/res...wment_Market_Values_Final_January_17_2012.pdf

Or don't. Your choice.

But is sports success a product of the endowment? Is that what the money's supposed to be spent on?

 

[SWC75]

The post about the SMU box score is all I need to know. If we didn't leave UConn would have. The Big East is a burning building.

And personally, I live and die for SU hoops. Football? Eh, we will never win a National Title, so who cares?

We won a national title. of course, thatw as in the one-platoon era but Pittsburgh, West Virginia and Virginia Tech have all played for the national title in the two platton era and Pitt won it. I've studied their scores and rosters and am not convinced that they had any more talent than we did on our best teams of the McPherson-Pasqualoni era. What we don't have is the ability to recruit in such depth that we would be perennial national title contenders. But in a given season where we have exceptional and experinced players at certain key positons, the potential is there to win it all. That Auburn team that won the title was like an SU team if we had McNabb and Freeney, both at the peak of their abilities.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

But is sports success a product of the endowment?

Considering the fact that Boston College's endowment is twice the size of Syracuse's...well, I think you have the answer right there.

 

[Orangetradition44]

The profit of both programs was posted a few weeks ago on the FB side. BBall made a bunch more money, but football made money.

I think you're right that the football team loses money. Most schools' football programs are money-losers.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

And when will ND be back? It's been twenty years since they have been relevant nationally.How many coaches have they burned thru since Lou Holtz. 5 ?

If you're only measure of relevance is national titles, then you are correct.

but if "relevance" also includes top-25 recruiting classes, sold out home and away games, national TV every week, prime time games, staggering merchandise sales, and lots of bowl games, well then, they've always been relevant.

Very few schools are relevant if multiple BCS games are the sole criteria.

 

[Ghost]

Actually, the SU endowment recovered from the .com debacle. It was the housing bubble that really did us in. BUt SU is recovering from that as well. The NACABO report for 2011 puts the SU endowment at 914 million dollars.

The SU endowment is bigger than Miami's (720 million), but smaller than Tulane's (slightly over 1 billion). Stanford (at 16.5 billion) trumps all private BCS schools in the endowment sweepstakes.

For the most recent endowment data go here:

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/res...wment_Market_Values_Final_January_17_2012.pdf

Or don't. Your choice.

Univ. of Rochester is killing us!

 

[CusefanATL]

Forget about Revenue and concentrate on PROFIT.

SU BB draws 440,000 plus at home and costs a fraction of what the FB program does.

You can run a college basketball program for the cost of the athletic tape the football team uses.

Syracuse basketball is reguarly a top 5 profitable basketball program. but the $5-10 mil profit probably wouldnt rank in the top 50 in football.

When we become a player in football again, you will see football profit fly past bball profit. It is just the way it is.

I am not 100% sure how they split up the TV money to show in revenue, but I can tell you the ACC is getting more $$ for their football TV than their basketball TV.

 

[rstone7727]

Univ. of Rochester is killing us!

Not in basketball or football or lax... They probably have more interns though.

 

[longtimefan]

Univ. of Rochester is killing us!

It's all about research, especially in the medical field. Some of the patents they have/had are very lucrative.

 

[Alcuse01]

Ahhh it would be nice to have a top 25 football team and a top 5 basketball team. I'd wear orange every day of the week.

You could do this... but you'd have to wear Burnt Orange... ok ok I kid -- though they did have that a few years ago.