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A 3-7 team is "devastated" that they aren't going to a bowl

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Back when I was working, the manager of our office would call a staff meeting from time to time and hand out some performance awards. Certain veteran or outstanding employees would get plaques and bonus checks to a smattering of applause from their colleagues who were happy for them. We might even decide we'd like to get an award and reapply ourselves to our work as a result of the ceremony. (I've been on both sides of that: I'm not disgruntled because I never got an award).

One day, he called a meeting and started calling names to go up front to give out awards and he kept on calling them until half the office was up at the front of the room with plaques and checks and the other half was sitting in the audience, glaring at them, with no applause. (We later found out that he heard that other offices had more employees that had received awards than ours so he decided to 'even things up' all at once, with bad results). The boss had divided the office into those who were "in" and those who were "out" and nobody liked it. He'd gone from awarding deserving employees to insulting those who didn't get awarded.

Back in the day, bowls were rewards for excellence. There were 6-8 of them only the best teams in the country went to them. Ben Schwartzwalder coached his teams to 7 bowl games in 25 years. SU's 1960 team expected to repeat as national champions but lost two games and were so disgusted that they voted not to go to a bowl because we didn't deserve one. When I pine for those days, I'm the 'old man on the porch'. "It's a new era, deal with it."

But one virtue of the old system was that with the bar set as high as it was, two thirds of the teams knew from the beginning of the year that they weren't bowl teams and by this stage, it was 90%, (actually 100% because they only played ten games). Teams went right into the mode of just trying to win the next game, see how much better they could get, how much they could impress the coach to get more playing time for this year or next, maybe pull off a big upset. There was a greater focus on rivalry games as the big game of the season. If you could got a bowl in your career here, that was a big thing. Only the football factories, (especially the southern ones, who could bring more fans), expected to go to a bowl each year. The rest of the schools didn't even evaluate themselves by that standard.

Now a bowl has become a minimum requirement, the failure to achieve it being "devastating" to the player sand a dangerous to a coach wanting to keep his job. Is that really a better thing? Should making a bowl be the "Mendoza Line" of college football?

I still don't know how all those bowls stay in business and I've never gotten used to bowl games being a battle of 6-6 teams. I understand that for a program like Syracuse getting to 6-6 and winning a bowl game can give them a leg up in recruiting and building the program but the downside of not making a bowl when the bar is set too low troubles me. I'd really like to see a dozen bowls with an 8 win minimum, (all against FBS teams), be the standard.

3-7 teams shouldn't even be thinking about bowls, much less being 'devastated' that they didn't get them.
 
While i agree with this 100%...the college football fan of me loves that there are a couple more weeks of football to watch. Even knowing that the bowls mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
 
Well, to the college football team, a bowl is their playoff game. It's part of every teams goals. If they weren't striving for it and being upset about not obtaining their ultimate goal, then I would worry that the team isn't properly focused.
 
I'm a big college football fan and watch all the televised regular season games that I can fit into my weekly schedule...usually a lot.

Ever since the post season bowls have proliferated faster than prairie rabbits I might watch 1-2 bowl games. I'd rather get rid of 90% of them and have an 8 team playoff. I know the $ that the local bowl organizers rake in probably won't let that happen.

Someday the TV advertisers will realize that the money they spend to advertise on most of those bowl games is wasted money..nobody watches anymore. Probably some tax benefit write off as a business expense? Doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
yup. but for about a dozen teams each year the college FB season would be 90% exhibition games for by the teams that always go to a bowl. what would SU's goal be each year?Being competetive (no losing by more than 4 TDs?)
 
Probably some tax benefit write off as a business expense? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Except for capital purchases and a couple other quirky items, all expenses are business expense. Write-off is the wrong word when cash is actually be laid on the table. More likely, advertisers (businesses) feel that the ratings justify the expense. Companies don't just spend to spend, and any "tax benefit" pales compared to the amount of money they actually spend for the ads, particularly in this earnings environment.
 
That's a great historical perspective. I agree with Mackey44, I love extending the season, but then maybe we need to do more conference playoff games rather than bowl matchups. That would make rivalries a lot more intense, maybe even establish some new ones.

Eliminating the sheer volume of bowls might also bring back some semblance of what it means to be a student athlete. I really love what motivation meant to fans and college athletes alike fifty years ago. Not sure you can put the genie back in the bottle now that we have all this ACC revenue and a domed stadium but I love the idea.
 
A team coming off two bowl victories that expected to compete in the ACC this year should be devastated. I would be more concerned if it was not devastated and did not find this season to be a disappointment.

As for the proliferation of the bowl system, I prefer it to the "good old days" when only the helmet schools and a couple of upstarts received invites. It can give the kids something to look forward to even if the season did not match expectations.

As for it being a Mendoza Line for a team, it depends on the school. Frank Solich was fired from Nebraska even though his teams made it to a bowl all six years he was a coach. Including this year, Mark Richt will have made it to a bowl all fourteen years he has been the head coach at Georgia. Despite this, his name frequently comes up as being on the hot seat. Contrast this to Pat Fitzgerald who had two subpar seasons at Northwestern and even if his bowl less seasons continue, it is unlikely he will get fired as long as the program is clean and somewhat competitive.
 
As much as I agree with SWC, reducing the number of bowls will put even more power in the hands of the southern public universities and the handful of midwestern/west coast schools that will spend big on a consistent basis. Personally, I'm sick of seeing Alabama, Auburn, Oregon etc on top every year. I like that there is a reward for teams like Syracuse, Northwestern and the service academies even if a bowl bid in 2014 is devalued.
 
I understand your point, SWC, but I think that what is implied is that the team is "devestated" that they didn't perform better this year and get back to a bowl, given the positive note that last season ended on and the number of returning starters this team had coming back.

Even with the tough schedule, expectations were high. And many expected the program to take the next step on the path toward the top 25. I'm sure that the players themselves had those type of expectations, as well. So to be at this juncture of the year, with half the team injured and a 3-7 record... yeah, it is a devestating outcome when you put your heart and soul into it, and all of the hard work required to be a D1 football player.

Their disappointment shouldn't be diminished by the fact that the team was mid-tier bowl caliber under the best circumstances. Frankly, I'm happy to learn that they are "devestated." I hope that fuels the motiviation in off-season workouts so that we don't have a repeat of what transpired this year.
 
The number of bowl games exploded with cable TV and the need for more live sports programming. It's the TV money that fuels it. IMO a team should be required to have a winning record (7-5) to go to a bowl, not 6-6 (even though that may hurt SU). I like watching the cross sectional bowl games. There are always interesting match ups.
 
Agree with RF.

The team was not mathematically eliminated from Bowl eligibility until the loss to Duke. Being devastated by the reality of what most of us considered to be an inevitability is EXACTLY how I would want the team to respond.
 
I coach youth lacrosse, we don't keep score in the 3-4 grade youth games so the kids do not get "Devastated". At the end of the year everyone gets a trophy. Maybe we rethink SU football so as not to upset the players, stop keeping score and give each player a trophy and a trip to Florida.
 
I coach youth lacrosse, we don't keep score in the 3-4 grade youth games so the kids do not get "Devastated". At the end of the year everyone gets a trophy. Maybe we rethink SU football so as not to upset the players, stop keeping score and give each player a trophy and a trip to Florida.

That's a weird league. My 7 year old plays travel hockey and they keep scores and records.
 
I view the "No Name" bowls the same way as I view the NIT - they're there because there is some demand for them and they provide teams that have performed reasonably well a postseason play opportunity. So I really don't have a problem with them, they have a purpose and the teams that get an opportunity to go do get some benefit out of it that they otherwise wouldn't. It's a great opportunity for programs that are rebuilding to get extra practices and some more exposure.

It most cases, the BCS bowls and now the playoff bowls are the elite teams/bowls and there is a clear delineation between those bowls and the "No Name" bowls, so going to a playoff bowl more or less is the equivalent to just going to a bowl in the 60's now.
 
The ULA (Upstate lacrosse Association) is a developmental league. The 5-6, 7-8 groups do keep score but no league champs. I will guess maybe 4500 girls/boys play in the league with teams from Watertown to Cortland, Auburn to Cazenovia.

link to the website http://www.upstatelaxassociation.org/assets/2014/ULA-Opening-weekend-hand-out-copy.pdf

Sounds nice. You seemed to take the position that your league doesn't keep score so the kids don't get upset. So I was responding to that.
 
yup. but for about a dozen teams each year the college FB season would be 90% exhibition games for by the teams that always go to a bowl. what would SU's goal be each year?Being competetive (no losing by more than 4 TDs?)


There was no lack of motivation in the old days. As I said, you still want to win the next game, beat your rival, get better, impress the coach, etc. etc. At one time there were no bowl games and then, for a generation, there was only the Rose Bowl.You think teams were unmotivated then?
 
I'm with you on what is deserving of a bowl, but you completely lose me with your logic that a 3-7 team shouldn't be devastated. That just doesn't make sense. They had higher expectations. They wanted to be a class that continued SUs return to semi-relevance. They presumably worked very hard towards that goal and fell very short. Why shouldn't they be devastated? You lost me.

SWC75 said:
3-7 teams shouldn't even be thinking about bowls, much less being 'devastated' that they didn't get them.
 
I'm with you on what is deserving of a bowl, but you completely lose me with your logic that a 3-7 team shouldn't be devastated. That just doesn't make sense. They had higher expectations. They wanted to be a class that continued SUs return to semi-relevance. They presumably worked very hard towards that goal and fell very short. Why shouldn't they be devastated? You lost me.

They should be "disappointed" in the way the season went. They shouldn't be "devastated" that, as a 3-7, they can't go to a bowl. My point is that the current system turns making a bowl into a thing of desperation. You're trying not to be one of the excluded teams. There was never that feeling in the old days when a bowl was a reward for an excellent season and you could still feel good about your season is you had a good record, even if you didn't get invited to a bowl.

As I said, when you dramatically increase those who get rewarded, you've turned it from an acknowledgement of them to an insult to those who get left out.
 
I disagree. They never thought for a second they would lose 7 games and they should be devastated...I am as well.

As for too many bowls, I love watching them and the players/coaches enjoy being in them so what's the problem? There is a playoff now so the elite which used to go to bowls now go to the playoffs.
 
I disagree. They never thought for a second they would lose 7 games and they should be devastated...I am as well.

As for too many bowls, I love watching them and the players/coaches enjoy being in them so what's the problem? There is a playoff now so the elite which used to go to bowls now go to the playoffs.
Exactly. Bowls are categorized to the level of those they invite. The 6-6 teams go to mediocre bowls. So, if you are a mediocre team, you go to a mediocre bowl. I laugh when people say they "don't deserve" it. Of course they do. A mediocre team, by definition, deserves a mediocre bowl. It's just an extra game for the team and fans. If it didn't work financially (for bowl and school), it would not happen.
 

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