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A big THANK YOU and well wishes to Shaf & Co

Love you and your staff Shaf! I love your passion, compassion and energy. You were a true Cuse guy to the bone and we'll always love you for that.

I'll be rooting for you at the next stop but I selfishly hope you don't return to the ACC !
 
It's incredibly disappointing that HCSS didn't workout. He was a great guy who truly loved SU, and he was passionate about both the community and school. Also, despite what many on here have posted over the last season and a half, he had/has a great football mind. As everyone who remembers him as a DC either knows or should know, his ability to understand the game and adapt are close to unparalleled. Look what he did as a DC for Stanford and then SU (he wasn't at Michigan long enough to really do anything). Unfortunately, that passion and knowledge didn't translate into being a great head coach. I can't tell you for sure why it didn't. It should have on paper. However, my personal theory is that he was too loyal. Be it personal loyalty to friends, or be it school-imposed budget constraints, I don't think that he ever surrounded himself with a truly knowledgeable and experienced staff. Everyone seemed as though they were learning on the go, and that was a problem. We were either using MAC-level tricks against P5-level competition, or we were reinventing the wheel against an opposing team led by an experienced coaching staff. We were always a step late.

Ultimately though, HCSS' tenure was a shame. I still believe that he could have been a phenomenal coach with the right staff, and I still believe that he will be a great head coach of a major school in the future. Although I understand his firing, and pending the selection of his replacement, I do believe that it may have been the right move (albeit, I am somewhat skeptical because of the tight market and need for stability in the program), it always stinks to watch a good guy get fired for being too loyal.

IMHO, HCSS' tenure was also a shame because of the SU fan behavior. It's worth noting that the vast majority of posters on this board (including many of those who spent this season calling for HCSS' head) enthusiastically supported the hiring of every (or almost every) assistant coach who I believe ultimately led to his demise. To those posters, the mistakes that now look obvious weren't obvious to you when they were being made. And to those posters from that group who are now writing/have written disparaging/insulting comments about HCSS, keep that in mind. Also keep in mind his contributions to SU as a DC. I suspect that some of the posters here are too young to remember GRob's defenses, but, even with this year's poor/young defense, we have improved dramatically. SU is no longer considered a laughingstock when we're on defense, and that is almost entirely because of HCSS. He has done enough for the university to deserve our respect.

Someday, when he's coach of a top 5 Michigan/USC/OSU-type program, kids will skim his wikipedia and see his short tenure at SU and wonder WTH happened, and what caused him to leave. And, when that day comes, hopefully SU will be a top 5 program (fingers crossed!) and we will meet on a field and have a great game with no hard feelings.

As for the other coaches, I generally believe that they are all good guys, and part of a warm and welcoming family. And, although, for the most part, I don't think that they're ready to coach in a P5 program yet, I do think that they would be excellent hires at the lower levels (g5 and fcs). They were not quite ready for the big lights, but they did try their best, and I appreciate their efforts. They gave me all I can ask from them. I wish them the best of luck moving forward.
 
Love you and your staff Shaf! I love your passion, compassion and energy. You were a true Cuse guy to the bone and we'll always love you for that.

I'll be rooting for you at the next stop but I selfishly hope you don't return to the ACC !

Agreed, I don't want to see him in the ACC either, but will always openly cheer for the guy.
 
That would be nice, but I see Shaf as a DC some place next year. Just hope it's not in the ACC.

Why can't he be D-Coordinator here?

I know, I know
 
IMHO, HCSS' tenure was also a shame because of the SU fan behavior. It's worth noting that the vast majority of posters on this board (including many of those who spent this season calling for HCSS' head) enthusiastically supported the hiring of every (or almost every) assistant coach who I believe ultimately led to his demise. To those posters, the mistakes that now look obvious weren't obvious to you when they were being made.

Yeahhh, I don't think that's true. There has been substantial initial and ongoing debate on this board about a lot of his hires.
 
Louie and Bouie said:
It rings very hollow on the same board where there was a concerted effort to get rid of him. That's my take.

It's not the same with everyone. Some wanted him fired and expressed those feelings in a reasonable manner. However, you are correct with the cheerleader crowd who shouted at the top of their lungs to "fire the idiot now" and other mature things.
 
Yeahhh, I don't think that's true. There has been substantial initial and ongoing debate on this board about a lot of his hires.
Delude yourself into thinking whatever helps you sleep well at night, but I'm looking at one of the many threads right now.

In this particular thread rrlbbes concluded that the AD was so far in the red that we couldn't get anything better than MAC coaches, so it's ok. CUSU thinks that the the assistant coaches are fine because the MAC has produced a ton of great coaches. Stuckinbig11 thinks that "we should look at the new OC [Lester] as a game changer and wish him the best" because concerns about his lack of FBS OC experience and/or P5 experience are apparently unfounded. IthacaBarrel agrees with CUSU. CousCuse agrees with Ithaca, as does JoeSU.

That's just the first page of one thread. I distinctly remember 5 threads, which means that there were probably way more. Add in that the average thread is 5(?) pages long and you get the idea.

To the extent that these posters haven't been throwing rocks at HCSS then I have no problem with their post and don't mean to call them out (in fact, if they're still sticking by HCSS, I have a lot of respect for them for sticking with their convictions). I'm only mentioning their names and beliefs to show that, undeniably, your memory is deeply flawed in this regard. These threads did exist, and they were not rare.
 
Delude yourself into thinking whatever helps you sleep well at night, but I'm looking at one of the many threads right now.

In this particular thread rrlbbes concluded that the AD was so far in the red that we couldn't get anything better than MAC coaches, so it's ok. CUSU thinks that the the assistant coaches are fine because the MAC has produced a ton of great coaches. Stuckinbig11 thinks that "we should look at the new OC [Lester] as a game changer and wish him the best" because concerns about his lack of FBS OC experience and/or P5 experience are apparently unfounded. IthacaBarrel agrees with CUSU. CousCuse agrees with Ithaca, as does JoeSU.

That's just the first page of one thread. I distinctly remember 5 threads, which means that there were probably way more. Add in that the average thread is 5(?) pages long and you get the idea.

To the extent that these posters haven't been throwing rocks at HCSS then I have no problem with their post and don't mean to call them out (in fact, if they're still sticking by HCSS, I have a lot of respect for them for sticking with their convictions). I'm only mentioning their names and beliefs to show that, undeniably, your memory is deeply flawed in this regard. These threads did exist, and they were not rare.

Dude, nothing about SU football affects my ability to sleep at night.
 
Yeahhh, I don't think that's true. There has been substantial initial and ongoing debate on this board about a lot of his hires.

Joe Adams is the obvious one that has been discussed thoroughly.
 
It's like a big eulogy today, not undeserved. I have to hand it to SU, these things can get ugly, we did it right.

From Coyle being open and honest and getting everyone in rooms, telling them to their faces (all staff and players).

To Shafer's class through it all. Saying he gets paid too much to do this, so it's the assistants he feels bad for. Class act, and he's right.

I really hope we win on Saturday and these guys get one last moment to feel good. Carry some of them off the field. And hopefully the ones in the booth are treated well as they make their way through the masses.

Then we all move on, and hopefully unify on whatever decision is made/staff is brought in.

LGO!!
 
Joe Adams is the obvious one that has been discussed thoroughly.
If Scott had hired Matt Canada as his first OC instead of George McDonald, (or a dozen other coaches he coached with or against in the MAC) things would have been markedly different. That was his biggest mistake as the SU HC.

What a shame.
 
It's like a big eulogy today, not undeserved. I have to hand it to SU, these things can get ugly, we did it right.

From Coyle being open and honest and getting everyone in rooms, telling them to their faces (all staff and players).

To Shafer's class through it all. Saying he gets paid too much to do this, so it's the assistants he feels bad for. Class act, and he's right.

I really hope we win on Saturday and these guys get one last moment to feel good. Carry some of them off the field. And hopefully the ones in the booth are treated well as they make their way through the masses.

Then we all move on, and hopefully unify on whatever decision is made/staff is brought in.

LGO!!
after he becomes the worlds most riled up color commentator for a year, I want him to go to the MAC with a brand new approach to offense and I will religiously watch MACtion
 
If Scott had hired Matt Canada as his first OC instead of George McDonald, (or a dozen other coaches he coached with or against in the MAC) things would have been markedly different. That was his biggest mistake as the SU HC.

What a shame.

Wow how could I forget McDonald after this past weekend? Good call.
 
nzm136 said:
Delude yourself into thinking whatever helps you sleep well at night, but I'm looking at one of the many threads right now. In this particular thread rrlbbes concluded that the AD was so far in the red that we couldn't get anything better than MAC coaches, so it's ok. CUSU thinks that the the assistant coaches are fine because the MAC has produced a ton of great coaches. Stuckinbig11 thinks that "we should look at the new OC [Lester] as a game changer and wish him the best" because concerns about his lack of FBS OC experience and/or P5 experience are apparently unfounded. IthacaBarrel agrees with CUSU. CousCuse agrees with Ithaca, as does JoeSU. That's just the first page of one thread. I distinctly remember 5 threads, which means that there were probably way more. Add in that the average thread is 5(?) pages long and you get the idea. To the extent that these posters haven't been throwing rocks at HCSS then I have no problem with their post and don't mean to call them out (in fact, if they're still sticking by HCSS, I have a lot of respect for them for sticking with their convictions). I'm only mentioning their names and beliefs to show that, undeniably, your memory is deeply flawed in this regard. These threads did exist, and they were not rare.

Huh? What did I say?
 
Yep. And McDonald and the Lester promotion got a wee bit of attention too. ;)

Yeah there sure were several decisions that got attention. Of course, this had to happen on a day I had a ton of work to do too! Sadly, posting on syracusefan.com is not my full time job regardless of how it may seem sometimes.
 
Yep. And McDonald and the Lester promotion got a wee bit of attention too. ;)
there is a great 200 page thread about lester before this season after some interview where he described the offense
 
there is a great 200 page thread about lester before this season after some interview where he described the offense

Poppycock. We all loved the hire, and we're to blame for this. Jerk.
 
after he becomes the worlds most riled up color commentator for a year, I want him to go to the MAC with a brand new approach to offense and I will religiously watch MACtion

I could see Shafer being a color commentator for a year, then landing a big DC job, before getting hired by Ohio University or Akron or one of those MAC schools. He would be adequately successful there before retiring after a 10-12 year run.
 
If Scott had hired Matt Canada as his first OC instead of George McDonald, (or a dozen other coaches he coached with or against in the MAC) things would have been markedly different. That was his biggest mistake as the SU HC.

What a shame.

The tough part about Scott is that he seems like the type of coach who would be a lifer here even if he had great success. My concern about one of these up and comers is that Syracuse will simply be a stepping stone unless we really open up our pockets if they show they're successful. If we can get someone here and that person is winning, then we need to quickly up the ante and boost his contract. I'd like to avoid the revolving door for several, several years.

Had Shafer made the right OC hire from the get-go, things could've been different, but it is what it is. He hired his buddies and neither brought an offense that could light up the scoreboard. With a weakened D, we needed to be able to counter with offensive punches.
 
If Scott had hired Matt Canada as his first OC instead of George McDonald, (or a dozen other coaches he coached with or against in the MAC) things would have been markedly different. That was his biggest mistake as the SU HC.

What a shame.
Ralph Friedgen was unemployed.
 
Coach thank you for leaving our program in good shape. You are and will always be a leader of young men. I dont know why things didnt work out for you as but for a few bad breaks i think that you could have been our coach for life. This is what i do know and that is that you are a true leader and you will do well. Keep your chin up and dont ever change who you are as you are special. I cant wait to see your path as im sure that it is going to be special.
 

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