A concern

[hplare]

While the defense was credited for it's part in defeating BC, it's disturbing that it allowed 28 three point attempts. BC only connected on 5, but you can't give a good team that many open looks. It's easy to say that the current zone isn't functioning the way it should, but there's something else that's worth noting. Back in the day and even up to a short time ago, most teams only had one, (rarely two) good 3 point shooter to contend with. Mullins at St Johns. Gaze at Seton Hall. JB's zone marked them and he always played the percentage that they couldn't stay hot forever. Today too may teams have three good shooters and they find the open man. Remember Colgate?
I don't want to renew a discussion about the zone's effectiveness in this day and age. Maybe a more athletic team could close out against the shooters. But looking ahead to ND and Duke you just can't allow that many 3's.

 

[dollarbill44]

We've had this problem all season. This isn't a new concern.

 

[jr4750]

We are bad defensively. Unfortunately that won’t change this year. With Jesse out, we’re worse. Just hope we can outscore people.

 

[orangefog]

Something has to give with our defense, because our starting lineup lacks the athleticism to cover in the zone. And, our non starters have more athleticism, but they lack the experience to understand the zone. We really need to identify the one or two key shooters on the opposition and focus on always getting to them, and if a tertiary shooter starts hitting a bunch of threes, maybe shift him to a priority or just let him keep shooting.

 

[sufandu]

I have no idea was BC's shooting stats are on the season. If they're bad from 3 letting them shoot from there is good strategy. I recognize that wasn't the reasoning for why/how it happened against some other teams this year.

 

[NineOneSeven]

that poor backboard.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Improved athleticism will help some, but the days of being a top 20 defense using just the zone are history. The game has changed night and day from when Dion and MCW hawked shooters.

 

[hplare]

that poor backboard.

You can only blame the lack of atheism up to a point. Imagine the best zone team we ever had playing against Buddy, Swider and Joe. They'd get the looks they don't get now and they'd knock them down.

 

[hplare]

Sorry about atheism.

 

[orangefog]

Sorry about atheism.

It's not us you have to apologize to.

 

[TinyManInside]

While the defense was credited for it's part in defeating BC, it's disturbing that it allowed 28 three point attempts. BC only connected on 5, but you can't give a good team that many open looks.

This is what I said after the first Fl St game and people said "no, it was good defense". Then the team went out and proceeded to get shot out of the gym for multiple games because they gave up the same shots to teams that can shoot, unlike BC and Fl St.

Brevin Galloway was 2 for 22 against us from 3 in the two games.

2 for 22.

 

[sufandu]

You can only blame the lack of atheism up to a point. Imagine the best zone team we ever had playing against Buddy, Swider and Joe. They'd get the looks they don't get now and they'd knock them down.

You think? I'm not sure they'd get much against the 2010 to 2014 era teams.

 

[two3zone]

It's not us you have to apologize to.

 

[TinyManInside]

You can only blame the lack of atheism up to a point. Imagine the best zone team we ever had playing against Buddy, Swider and Joe. They'd get the looks they don't get now and they'd knock them down.

The team that beat Indiana to get to the Final Four would most likely lock down Buddy, Swider, and Joe. Indiana shot 41.1% from three as a team that year and we held them to 20% (3-15).

 

[TinyManInside]

Lifelong Jays fan, one of my favorite Toronto memories.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

If a teams gameplan is to take a bunch of threes I don't know how you can throw them off that especially if they are going to keep jacking regardless of the misses.

 

[orangefog]

I'm just glad I got to it first.

 

[Col. Bleep]

The team that beat Indiana to get to the Final Four would most likely lock down Buddy, Swider, and Joe. Indiana shot 41.1% from three as a team that year and we held them to 20% (3-15).

The box score says they were 7 for11.
Steve Alford was tremendous...7-10 from 3
That was the big difference in the game as the usually very reliable Greg Monroe did not shoot well.

Syracuse vs. Indiana Box Score (Men), March 30, 1987 | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Syracuse vs. Indiana Box Score (Men), March 30, 1987

www.sports-reference.com

 

[orangefog]

The box score says they were 7 for11.
Steve Alford was tremendous...7-10 from 3
That was the big difference in the game as the usually very reliable Greg Monroe did not shoot well.

Syracuse vs. Indiana Box Score (Men), March 30, 1987 | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Syracuse vs. Indiana Box Score (Men), March 30, 1987

www.sports-reference.com

Oof, wrong Indiana game

 

[TinyManInside]

The box score says they were 7 for11.
Steve Alford was tremendous...7-10 from 3
That was the big difference in the game as the usually very reliable Greg Monroe did not shoot well.

Syracuse vs. Indiana Box Score (Men), March 30, 1987 | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Syracuse vs. Indiana Box Score (Men), March 30, 1987

www.sports-reference.com

You're only off by 26 years.

 

[Trueblue25]

2017-2019 were consecutive years of top 50 defensive efficiency.


Its not the zone. I don’t believe it’s an inability to recruit to those two season’s talent standards either.

I think its lack of effort and accountability.

 

[hplare]

Don't misunderstand. I loved the zone and the way it baffled teams, especially went they weren't used to seeing one. But kids are shooting better and better.

 

[hplare]

Added an attachment that didn't post. Don't know why but title was, The three point revolution has taken over college basketball.

 

[CuseMan4]

While the defense was credited for it's part in defeating BC, it's disturbing that it allowed 28 three point attempts. BC only connected on 5, but you can't give a good team that many open looks. It's easy to say that the current zone isn't functioning the way it should, but there's something else that's worth noting. Back in the day and even up to a short time ago, most teams only had one, (rarely two) good 3 point shooter to contend with. Mullins at St Johns. Gaze at Seton Hall. JB's zone marked them and he always played the percentage that they couldn't stay hot forever. Today too may teams have three good shooters and they find the open man. Remember Colgate?
I don't want to renew a discussion about the zone's effectiveness in this day and age. Maybe a more athletic team could close out against the shooters. But looking ahead to ND and Duke you just can't allow that many 3's.

Well there’s a reason we let BC shoot the three 28 times….because they only made 5. We’ll let them shoot 100 if those are the percentages lol

 

[kingtidge]

We've had this problem all season. This isn't a new concern.

It's called speed.

Barring Torrance, we don't have any...