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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 33908, member: 363"] agreed, classic group think.. They need some fresh ideas on the offensive side of the ball. The D is loaded with college coaching and look at that, agreed that we have had more athletes there but we also don't overthink too much. I am not saying that Shafer has been perfect this year but on an off year with lots of new faces and youth he still has the D playing about average, some good games some not so good. Doug where are the good games? I am not asking for June Jones here but dont want Grace Jones either [/QUOTE]