A question about DaJaun Coleman

[SBU72]

When DC was recruited being recruited I felt concern about his weight. On various sites hes is listed anywhere as 6'9"/ 275 or 280 and 6'10/280. This seems an inch or two taller than over the summer which is good, but he is still on the heavy side. His pictures show a very full faced kid. Has any of the staff pointed out to him how much better Melo is performing with his weight lose? Has anybody in the Syracuse area seen him to see if he has slimmed down? I wouil think that at least 10 or 20 pounds would leave him very effective but quicker.

Also about Noels. With Coleman, Fab, Keita and Xmas on board, why would he consider SU and why would SU take him. Yeah, Fab may leave and Coleman may be there only 1 year but does anybody think that the #1 recruit in the country is going to sty more than 1 year. Even if he went to SU, by 2014 SU could be down to Keita and Xmas.

 

[armory]

Big can be good. Re: Arinze.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

When DC was recruited being recruited I felt concern about his weight. On various sites hes is listed anywhere as 6'9"/ 275 or 280 and 6'10/280. This seems an inch or two taller than over the summer which is good, but he is still on the heavy side. His pictures show a very full faced kid. Has any of the staff pointed out to him how much better Melo is performing with his weight lose? Has anybody in the Syracuse area seen him to see if he has slimmed down? I wouil think that at least 10 or 20 pounds would leave him very effective but quicker.

Also about Noels. With Coleman, Fab, Keita and Xmas on board, why would he consider SU and why would SU take him. Yeah, Fab may leave and Coleman may be there only 1 year but does anybody think that the #1 recruit in the country is going to sty more than 1 year. Even if he went to SU, by 2014 SU could be down to Keita and Xmas.

The #1 recruit doesn't care who is here.

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[MyMeloMyMan]

Big can be good. Re: Arinze.

Except when you couple that with chronic knee issues... (which came first?)

 

[zeekay]

Fab is not here next season. When a starting center is leaving it should be attractive enough for a #1 recruit in the nation. Plus he's friends with MCW.

 

[memcorsu]

Also about Noels. With Coleman, Fab, Keita and Xmas on board, why would he consider SU and why would SU take him. Yeah, Fab may leave and Coleman may be there only 1 year but does anybody think that the #1 recruit in the country is going to sty more than 1 year. Even if he went to SU, by 2014 SU could be down to Keita and Xmas.

Just listened to a podcast where the interviewee stated that he had recently talked to DC2 about the recruitment of Noel. He stated that Coleman was excited about the opportunity to play with him at SU; not only for the competition but the fact that it makes us even more of a potential NC.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

When DC was recruited being recruited I felt concern about his weight. On various sites hes is listed anywhere as 6'9"/ 275 or 280 and 6'10/280. This seems an inch or two taller than over the summer which is good, but he is still on the heavy side. His pictures show a very full faced kid. Has any of the staff pointed out to him how much better Melo is performing with his weight lose? Has anybody in the Syracuse area seen him to see if he has slimmed down? I wouil think that at least 10 or 20 pounds would leave him very effective but quicker.

Also about Noels. With Coleman, Fab, Keita and Xmas on board, why would he consider SU and why would SU take him. Yeah, Fab may leave and Coleman may be there only 1 year but does anybody think that the #1 recruit in the country is going to sty more than 1 year. Even if he went to SU, by 2014 SU could be down to Keita and Xmas.

It does seem like it would be beneficial to DC2 and SU if a Melo type summer of workout could be given to DC2. He will always be on the big side, but that is part of his value. Increased conditioning certainly wouldn't hurt though.

Why would SU take him? Really?? The number 1 recruit in the class of '12? Talent, prestige...I've got to stop...you didn't ask why SU would take him, did you? Wow. Another benefit of Noel coming could be in the form of the future. With Noel there would be an abundance of bigs. It would open the possibility for BMK to redshirt. Additional time for maturation and strength and conditioning would help improve BMK in his later years.

Fab looks by most (myself included) to be gone. There are really only debates on whether it is in his best interest. But odds are he is gone. Those odds rose with the latest academic problems. Some don't consider it coincidence that Noel reclassified after Fab missed a few games.

 

[SoBeCuse]

I believe Francis mentioned recently that Noel is the staff's top target/priority right now.

 

[Rocco]

Even if Melo is back, which I think he will be, Noel could still come here and likely start at the 4 over Rak IMO.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Even if Melo is back, which I think he will be, Noel could still come here and likely start at the 4 over Rak IMO.

Completely agree. Noel is lean and long and leaps like MoFo. He could cover one whole side of the floor at the bottom corner of the zone.

 

[reedny]

When DC was recruited being recruited I felt concern about his weight. On various sites hes is listed anywhere as 6'9"/ 275 or 280 and 6'10/280. This seems an inch or two taller than over the summer which is good, but he is still on the heavy side. His pictures show a very full faced kid. Has any of the staff pointed out to him how much better Melo is performing with his weight lose? Has anybody in the Syracuse area seen him to see if he has slimmed down? I wouil think that at least 10 or 20 pounds would leave him very effective but quicker.

Also about Noels. With Coleman, Fab, Keita and Xmas on board, why would he consider SU and why would SU take him. Yeah, Fab may leave and Coleman may be there only 1 year but does anybody think that the #1 recruit in the country is going to sty more than 1 year. Even if he went to SU, by 2014 SU could be down to Keita and Xmas.

I may be in the minority, but I don't think Fab/DC is an issue for NN. Here's why:​

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1- DC's huge. At 280 pounds, you're not going to see him running out to guard the wing. When he arrives at SU in July, he's going to play center. In the event that Fab returns (which I'm predicting), DC will back him up for a year. Simple as that. NN's not in this equation (and I don't think he's looking at center at Ky either).​

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2- In view of NN's size (he's 210 pounds -- 70 pounds lighter than DC, and 30-40 lbs under Fab, and 2 inches shorter), and his skills (he's a great off the ball shot blocker and he can move his feet on defense), I believe he's a PF for SU. If this is true, his only competition for a starting spot is Rak -- currently averaging 12 minutes and 3 points. No slight to Rak (he's developing). But Rak can increase his minutes while learning and backing up NN. NN's ready DAY-1 at the 4.​

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3- This explains why I don't agree with those of you insisting that SU has a "logjam" on the frontline ... Keita's a backup center. Even as the third guy, he'd play (fouls, injuries, etc..). Fab or DC are 5's. From my seat, the only guy in NN's way is Rak at the 4, where we have little depth.​

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4- As to those insisting that NN has a reserved "spot" in the middle for Ky ... what spot? Kentucky is at least as loaded as SU on the frontline, maybe worse. They already have signed a top 10, 7' center, http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Willie-Cauley-104709​

as well as a 5 star PF. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Alex-Poythress-99151 Could NN take minutes/start over one of them, possibly. But he can start over Rak at SU.​

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5- UNC is already loaded as well. Maybe Hensen jumps. Zeller's a senior and he's gone. But UNC has a 6'10 PF already (Hubert), along with a 6/10 260 center recruit and a PF recruit. http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/commitments/2012/northcarolina-6 Can NN play over one or more of these guys, probably. But he can take over the starting spot at PF for SU, too. And SU did NOT recruit a PF for this class... yet. This is why, IMO, we've opened up our recruiting -- to pull in NN.​

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Just one perspective.​

 

[armory]

I've sold all my Rak-stock, so i'll gladly buy me some NN-@-the-4 stock. Xmas has shown me nothing to be excited about, the effort is non-existent.

 

[SourShoes]

MELO is GONE !! read: Acedemics, Melo

GONE

 

[PauliePeppas]

Zagoria just put up an article where a guy says noel and coleman would coexist well and that colemans a 4 year player that has leveled off

 

[RF2044]

Noel sounds like a transcendent caliber talent--I've seen favorable comparisons between his shotblocking and Alonzo Mourning's defensive impact--so if we have the opportunity to land him, you make it happen if you're SU.

Both Coleman and Christmas seem like four-year players to me. I'm not remotely concerned about XMas's development--there were a lot of people here who'd written Fab off after his struggles last season--with his tools, he'll be a good one down the road. But if Noel wants to come to SU, I doubt he'd be intimidated by having to compete with anyone. What a great "problem" that would be!

 

[edowd26]

I've sold all my Rak-stock, so i'll gladly buy me some NN-@-the-4 stock. Xmas has shown me nothing to be excited about, the effort is non-existent.

booooo... Xmas has huge potential.

 

[orangefan13]

Wow amazed that anyone could count Rak out right now.

Rak is a beast. No he hasn't found his second gear yet so what?
Xmas had 7 rebounds 2 blocks and 2 assists in 16 mintues last game.
He tore up Cincy pretty nice.

Crazy to see people not realizing what a gift it is to have him.
Hes strong built with strong upper arms to battle through fouls and get the and one.

With a frontcourt or XMAS, Dajuan, Noels and maybe Melo it doesn't matter who starts.
Only in IMO language Some of you sound nuts!

 

[CusefanATL]

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/02/06/noel-plans-unofficial-visits-still-not-2013-yet/

according to this, DC2 will be sticking around longer than we thought.

 

[reedny]

booooo... Xmas has huge potential.

No doubt he has. But his slope is a steady incline, not a spike like NN.

 

[armory]

booooo... Xmas has huge potential.

I know the orange lenses are pretty thick here, but objectively Xmas is a huge bust & way over-hyped. His reputation as a lazy player has been confirmed from my point of view. I wanted to like him as much as anyone, but I'm not going to lie to myself - he doesn't have "it".

 

[RF2044]

I know the orange lenses are pretty thick here, but objectively Xmas is a huge bust & way over-hyped. His reputation as a lazy player has been confirmed from my point of view. I wanted to like him as much as anyone, but I'm not going to lie to myself - he doesn't have "it".

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but this seems ridiculous. Did Etan Thomas have "it" his freshman year? What about Fab last year?

Rak has good athletic ability and size. He is raw offensively and has a long way to go. But labeling him a bust at this point is anything but objective.

 

[armory]

Fab definitely showed flashes of potential and offensive ability last year, I haven't seen any from Rak this year. Alley-oops aren't potential.

 

[moqui]

I know the orange lenses are pretty thick here, but objectively Xmas is a huge bust & way over-hyped. His reputation as a lazy player has been confirmed from my point of view. I wanted to like him as much as anyone, but I'm not going to lie to myself - he doesn't have "it".

with all due respect, armory, you don't know what you are talking about.

you can't expect him to be a star or even expect him to do star-like things on occasion. You have to recognize his circumstance and judge him accordingly. Like everyone on the bottom half of the roster, Rak is a role player and he is designated by JB to do certain things - and only those things. So, judge him on the stuff he is supposed to be doing - he does them pretty well for a freshman seeing limited minutes. He is a terrific natural rebounder and shot blocker. He is starting from a much lower base, so he might never develop even as much of a low post game as Ricky had, but he will be a strong finisher who will collect a lot of buckets as the receiver of MCW's passes. And he has shown the ability to deliver very nice passes of his own when the staff has run plays for him at the top of the key.

 

[armory]

The ol' "You're wrong and I'm right" argument. Solid as always. My opinion is based on his future, that's the whole point. I see him being another Mookie: highly rated, so many excuses made for him, but lacking the basketball mentality to see much progression. I would love to be wrong, but I'm not going to pretend the stench is roses to quench optimism.

 

[reedny]

Rak will be a great player for us down the line. He has struggled against experienced BE big men, but so have many of our young bigs over the years. He had a good game for us against Yancy Gates (although Gates had 16/10), and he's only in there for off-the-ball blocks and rebounds -- maybe an 'oop once in a while. Either way, as a freshman big, he deserves some time before we put a label on him.​

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I think most agree that NN would come in and take over from day 1 ... in my book there's room (and a lack of depth) at the PF. This is not a slight on Rak... but next year, I don't see him going from 12 mintes/3 ppg to 25-30 mpg. More likely, he'll be 15-18 minutes and 6-8 points per game -- and this is a perfect opening for someone like NN.​

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This will greatly improve our depth. Next year, KJ (Rak's current replacement) will be gone, and CJ will replace him at SF. So NN/with Rak as a backup is not as silly as people have made out.​

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