A question about DaJaun Coleman

[moqui]

The ol' "You're wrong and I'm right" argument. Solid as always.

huh? what did you do, read the first sentence and then stop?

 

[pfister1]

I've sold all my Rak-stock, so i'll gladly buy me some NN-@-the-4 stock. Xmas has shown me nothing to be excited about, the effort is non-existent.

didn't you sell low on Melo last year too?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Just listened to a podcast where the interviewee stated that he had recently talked to DC2 about the recruitment of Noel. He stated that Coleman was excited about the opportunity to play with him at SU; not only for the competition but the fact that it makes us even more of a potential NC.

DC wants to play some PF. Noel helps that.

 

[AZOrange]

Rak will be a great player for us down the line. He has struggled against experienced BE big men, but so have many of our bigs over the years.​

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Reedny...just wondering...outside of Cooley who did Rak struggle against? He played great against Cincy and that WVU dude didnt do much

 

[rrlbees]

Both Coleman and Christmas seem like four-year players to me.

Neither Coleman nor Christmas will be 4 year guys.

 

[AZOrange]

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/02/06/noel-plans-unofficial-visits-still-not-2013-yet/

according to this, DC2 will be sticking around longer than we thought.

I dont believe that. I think people have really oversold on Coleman.

 

[edowd26]

I know the orange lenses are pretty thick here, but objectively Xmas is a huge bust & way over-hyped. His reputation as a lazy player has been confirmed from my point of view. I wanted to like him as much as anyone, but I'm not going to lie to myself - he doesn't have "it".

I just think you are way off here. To each their own.
I think whatyou see is a young kid afraid to make mistakes which could be construed as lazy. I think once this kid gets comfortable and confident he will be a hell of a player.

 

[jsshap]

Even if Melo is back, which I think he will be, Noel could still come here and likely start at the 4 over Rak IMO.

This is a guess, but Bees indicated a month or so ago that Rak was 75/25 on staying next year, if that still holds (and it may not bc he has played better and more since then) I would think a Noel commitment would change that percentage considerably. So it could the cupboard pretty bare in 2014. That said would love to see Noel come of course.

 

[DallasCuse]

I've sold all my Rak-stock, so i'll gladly buy me some NN-@-the-4 stock. Xmas has shown me nothing to be excited about, the effort is non-existent.

Never smart to sell at a low my friend. I'm assuming you sold Dion and Melo last year at bargain basement prices as well. Just too early to give up on a freshman.

Curious how that Kodak stock is doing for ya after unloading Apple in '03?

 

[CusefanATL]

This is a guess, but Bees indicated a month or so ago that Rak was 75/25 on staying next year, if that still holds (and it may not bc he has played better and more since then) I would think a Noel commitment would change that percentage considerably. So it could the cupboard pretty bare in 2014. That said would love to see Noel come of course.

where is rakeem going?

there is no way that rakeem is planning like that. an 18 yr old kid isnt taht calculated.

 

[Rocco]

This is a guess, but Bees indicated a month or so ago that Rak was 75/25 on staying next year, if that still holds (and it may not bc he has played better and more since then) I would think a Noel commitment would change that percentage considerably. So it could the cupboard pretty bare in 2014. That said would love to see Noel come of course.

I really don't see where Rak could leave, unless he wanted to transfer. Kid would have zero chance of being drafted this year. To me, I think he's a 4 year player.

 

[armory]

Never smart to sell at a low my friend. I'm assuming you sold Dion and Melo last year at bargain basement prices as well. Just too early to give up on a freshman.

Curious how that Kodak stock is doing for ya after unloading Apple in '03?

The hivemind of this thread is pretty sad. Don't like his opinion? Quick everyone gang up on him! Put words in his mouth! Tell him he doesn't know anything!

 

[reedny]

AZ, he struggled in many games against big frontlines-- off the top of my head I remember him getting yanked early against V-Tech and Stanford. He also played very little against NC State, Florida and he didn't play much against Marquette or Pitt as far as I recall -- the first easy layup he gives up JB pulls him.

I think the Cincy game was the first time (by necessity) that he's stayed in a game and was steady defensively. He had an absolutely SWEET pass to BT and I think had 2-3 blocks (I remember a big block against Jackson) and 9 boards. He was in a bit longer against WVU, but hardly rebounded and got pushed around (so did the rest of the team). Fab wasn't there to help.

Physically, he has all the tools. He can jump out of the gym, he shows good court vision, he has big, soft hands and can catch the ball and shows good timing on his blocks. I just think he needs another year of 15-18 minutes before he can stand on his own at the 4.

Next year, CJ won't be subbing for him like he is this year (CJ will be starting at the 3). If NN goes elsewhere, JS will sub for Rak (and Grant will probably sub for CJ mostly). If NN commits, he'll own the 4 and play along side either DC or DC/Fab if Fab returns.

Talk about a nice problem to have.

 

[moqui]

The hivemind of this thread is pretty sad. Don't like his opinion? Quick everyone gang up on him! Put words in his mouth! Tell him he doesn't know anything!

what's even sadder is the inability to mount a reasoned defense of your point and instead go into "they are out to get me" mode.

don't be such a , armory. if you have a case, rather than what appears to be a simple and largely unformed opinion, then make it and try to convince me

 

[CusefanATL]

 

[orangefan13]

Fab Melo looked like a poor mans craig forth last year.

Rak hasn't hit his second gear yet. Hes averaging 3.3 boards in 13 minutes as a fresh who isn't quite up to the speed of the college game yet. Thats pretty darn good.
That doesn't equal lazyness unless you have some kind of inside info.

Look at a few of these numbers.

Rak had 9 boards against Cincy in 27 minutes with three blocks and 2 assists.
Last game he had 7 rebounds 2 blocks and 2 assists in 16 mintues of play.
He had 5 rebounds againt providence and 8 points in 16 minutes.
He had three boards at Nova in 8 minutes.

Thats better then what Fab had at this point in the season last year. Infact those are nasty rebounding numbers per 40 minutes.

Rak has gotten better as the season has progressed. And hes making a statement at center recently.
And he has upper arms that Warrick has dreamed about the last 8 years.

 

[RF2044]

Neither Coleman nor Christmas will be 4 year guys.

We'll see.

 

[jordoo]

I would bet that if you looked at Rak's per minute rebounding and blocked shots stats that he is right there 1st or 2nd in both on the team. The fact of the matter is that JB wants to get CJ into the game quickly most nights, Rak is a freshman learning on the job on the wing which most freshman have historically struggled with. Sure he doesn't have an offensive arsenel but honestly he at least looks comfortable with his back to the basket and seems to use the backboard well on the opertunities he has had like that. He's got a lot of potential IMO and has better physical quickness and recover to play the 4 than Ricky did. Sure he needs to develop but all freshman do even the rare handfull that are great right away.

 

[memcorsu]

Two things:

• JB has suggested that "big fella's" take longer to develop then guards/wings
• Like Melo, Rak is not from the US and has not played organized basketball as long as most college frosh

 

[reedny]

AZ, he had problems against all the teams with bigger front lines, going back to V-Tech and Stanford. He got yanked early against Florida .. the first easy layup and JB just pulls him.​

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He played only a few minutes against Marquette and Pitt. Then, in a pinch with Fab out, he started out by disappearing against ND (along with the rest of the team) but reportedly had some good practices and then played his first really solid game at Cincy.​

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I have the Cincy game on tape (DVR). Rak had a SWEET pass to BT on a backcut, and also rejected 2 or 3 cincy shots (one by Jackson, a bank shot).​

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Overall, no question Rak has all the tools. He can jump out of the gym, he has big, soft hands and can catch the ball. He has a nice touch around the basket on put backs, and good timing on his blocks. The problems have been lapses of intensity/focus, defensive problems and failing to hold position for rebounds. His low-post offense needs time.​

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I'm a Rak fan. But while he develops, I don't think it would be silly to see him play 15-18 minutes behind someone like NN that could dominate the spot from Day-1. Rak would have to play against him in practice as well and then in 2013, the PF spot is his.​

 

[JoeSU]

Comparison of 1st year stats:


Melo (2010-11): 9.9 min 0.8 blocks 1.9 rebounds 2.3 pts.
Christmas (2011-12): 13 min. 0.9 blocks 3.3 rebounds 3.3 pts

 

[armory]

what's even sadder is the inability to mount a reasoned defense of your point and instead go into "they are out to get me" mode.

don't be such a *****, armory. if you have a case, rather than what appears to be a simple and largely unformed opinion, then make it and try to convince me

As if someone as childish as you would care about a reasoned defense. Let's ignore the recruiting reports for him since he was a junior in high school, let's ignore that one of his own teammates called his laziness his weakness, let's ignore that he has maybe 4 points all season that weren't dunks or free throws. Let's ignore that one of the team's biggest weaknesses is rebounding (namely vs. WVU when Fab was out) and that Rak rarely gets a rebound that doesn't come right to him. I hate to use the "eye test" phrase but have you even been watching the games?

 

[orangefan13]

Rak has proven to be a combo PF/center.
Some of his best minutes were at center this year.

If Melo jumps and we grabbed Noels...
I wouldn't be surprised to see the two guys most likely to play both center and PF start. Because JB can sub based on a early foul or which tandem he wants to go with at the 15-16 minute mark. All three are stud MCD AA

And all three will want to play with MCW, Cooney(Gmac says is a icewater in his veins shooter), Senior Brandon Triche and maybe that guy named Waiters.

 

[edowd26]

As if someone as childish as you would care about a reasoned defense. Let's ignore the recruiting reports for him since he was a junior in high school, let's ignore that one of his own teammates called his laziness his weakness, let's ignore that he has maybe 4 points all season that weren't dunks or free throws. Let's ignore that one of the team's biggest weaknesses is rebounding (namely vs. WVU when Fab was out) and that Rak rarely gets a rebound that doesn't come right to him. I hate to use the "eye test" phrase but have you even been watching the games?

I think you may be getting a bit defensive. I just think you're wrong about Rak, which is fine, time will tell.

 

[orangefan13]

Hes played 4 all year and hes not up to the college game speed. Don't expect him to grab rebounds like that.

Hakim Warrick sat the bench for 85% of his freshmen season on a NIT team long before the BET. and He was all dunks.
Fab made our team worse for 85% of last year.
Arinze and Watkins did not have good freshmen years if I remember correctly.
Rick Jackson had a rough freshmen season as well If I remember right.

Rak never came in with superior dribbling ability infact Dajuan is probably ahead of him right now (a neat fact). As is Noels. Its no secret our bigs weren't made to put the ball on the floor this year I called that out preseason. He needs alot of work there as does Keita. Don't expect them to be great scorers. That doesn't help their face up game any either.