ACC 2016 Tourney in Verizon Center

[longtimefan]

What happens when MSG gets demolished in the silly Manhattan wars?

They build a replacement across the street.

 

[Bayside44]

They build a replacement across the street.

They're gonna knock down the Farley Building?

 

[SUFan44]

What's the hotel situation there?

There are a ton of new hotels popping up all over Brooklyn. By the time the ACC Tournament could be held there (2017) there would be plenty of availability. Not to mention, even if you did stay in midtown it's a quick and easy subway commute (30 minutes).

 

[Bayside44]

There are a ton of new hotels popping up all over Brooklyn. By the time the ACC Tournament could be held there (2017) there would be plenty of availability. Not to mention, even if you did stay in midtown it's a quick and easy subway commute (30 minutes).

I don't see too many well heeled ACC donor types opting that route (subway to Brooklyn). The griping would have it out of there quick.

 

[Hoo's That]

So--ND would be #15 in all sports (including FB), Navy would be #16 in FB, and GTown would be #16 in all other sports?

I just can't see ND signing on as a full member. Everything seems to be working out well for them in the set up which begins next football season. Why would they want to have to compete with FSU for a spot in the playoffs? Last year showed that they can, as an independent, sneak an inferior team into the championship conversation.

You are correct about the imaginary ND, Navy/G'town alignment.

I have no delusions about ND as a full member. ND won't sign on as a full member unless and until the fb championship situation changes so drastically that an independent is not permitted to get into the playoffs. You're 1000% correct that there's less than no incentive for them to change their status short of having that drastic change happen, especially with their $$$$ TV contract with NBC and the 5 games/year fb deal w/the ACC.

 

[Hoo's That]

Wow... That is seriously amazing. No ACC school in DC area... but play the Conference tourney there? That is a a major win for the ACC schools that are north of the Mason/Dixon line.

In the immediate DC area. Just like there's no ACC school in Greensboro or Charlotte. Also, don't forget which Commonwealth is at the other end of the Chain, Key, Theodore Roosevelt, Memorial, and 14th Street Bridges from DC.

 

[Madbiker]

You are correct about the imaginary ND, Navy/G'town alignment.

I have no delusions about ND as a full member. ND won't sign on as a full member unless and until the fb championship situation changes so drastically that an independent is not permitted to get into the playoffs. You're 1000% correct that there's less than no incentive for them to change their status short of having that drastic change happen, especially with their $$$$ TV contract with NBC and the 5 games/year fb deal w/the ACC.

Agree with your assessment under the current 4 team playoff configuration. However things could well change in the next iteration when the playoff is expanded to 8 teams likely requiring only conference champions. If that happens (12-14 years from now) that will force ND into the ACC for football. Hope so.

 

[arbitragegls]

Wow... That is seriously amazing. No ACC school in DC area... but play the Conference tourney there? That is a a major win for the ACC schools that are north of the Mason/Dixon line.

Today, Andy Katz went one step closer to what is quickly being discussed as a happening when not if...enjoy his opening segment on the ACC to NYC...whispers getting louder!

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9975475&categoryid=2378529

It's Good to be 'Cuse!! The Order of The 'Cuse Orange...

 

[73CAV]

Given the current revelations we're seeing concerning CTE (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy), college football's days are numbered. In twenty years, the NFL will likely be history. In fact, it will probably be fewer. While the $765 million dollar settlement to which the NFL just agreed was accompanied with denials of culpability, I don't think those protestations matter much. The precedent has been set. Reportedly, UCLA has developed a test for CTE that precludes a post-mortem exam, and Tony Dorsett, Joe DeLamielleure, & Leonard Marshall have all been diagnosed with the condition. The first time a former collegiate player, who never played in the NFL, is diagnosed with CTE and sues his former college, lawyers and insurance execs are going to jump up and take notice. And, even if that takes a while, as publicity surrounding this affliction gains traction, few, if any, mothers are going to let their sons play any kind of organized football. As I write this, I imagine that there are a lot of universities around the country taking a long, hard look at their financial exposure in continuing to field teams, in light of these disclosures. And this says nothing of the pressure that is going to come from public health officials. The fight against tobacco has provided the blue print for the coming struggle.

And for these reasons, Notre Dame will become a full time member of the ACC sooner than anyone would have thought because ACC football is going to cease to exist. I imagine the end result is that collegiate futball will now be played on Saturdays in much larger venues.

 

[73CAV]

Wow... That is seriously amazing. No ACC school in DC area... but play the Conference tourney there? That is a a major win for the ACC schools that are north of the Mason/Dixon line.

No ACC school in the DC area? Need a wee lesson in geography? Just to put it into perspective, DC is very convenient to Charlottesville. It is roughly the same distance from Blacksburg, Raleigh, Durham, & Chapel Hill to DC as Syracuse is to NYC. Finally, the population of NOVA has more than a few connections to both VPI and UVa. You do know that Virginia is just across the Potomac, right?

 

[SU2NASA]

No ACC school in the DC area? Need a wee lesson in geography? Just to put it into perspective, DC is very convenient to Charlottesville. It is roughly the same distance from Blacksburg, Raleigh, Durham, & Chapel Hill to DC as Syracuse is to NYC. Finally, the population of NOVA has more than a few connections to both VPI and UVa. You do know that Virginia is just across the Potomac, right?

Anyone from DC knows, the Commonwealth sucks.

 

[cuseguy]

The NFL and college football will cease to exist when prohibition returns.

 

[arbitragegls]

No ACC school in the DC area? Need a wee lesson in geography? Just to put it into perspective, DC is very convenient to Charlottesville. It is roughly the same distance from Blacksburg, Raleigh, Durham, & Chapel Hill to DC as Syracuse is to NYC. Finally, the population of NOVA has more than a few connections to both VPI and UVa. You do know that Virginia is just across the Potomac, right?

easy big guy...to the ACC us Northern kids are still considered somewhat newbees insofar as belonging to the conference...DC was a "gift" of the ACC to ND, 'Cuse, BC, Pitt and even Louisville while slapping the B1G and Maryland across their face. What was being indicated is that without Maryland (and don't forget that the ACC only held its BB tournament this far north once in '05) this is a big deal. Geography had little to do with the comment...and the poster who made the comment is very knowledgeable about the geographic implications...we all know that VT, Virginia are close by...as is other ACC members. The point was that ACC is going DC even without Maryland...and the point is it is a stopping point for a northern located tournament in NYC comin soon.

It' Good to be 'Cuse!!..The Order of The 'Cuse Orange...

 

[Townie72]

The Verizon Center as a venue for the ACC tourney is a brilliant idea.

DC is seen by the Carolina schools as being inside the Mid-Atlantic area, so while they would prefer it to be in NC or Atlanta, it is "acceptable". (The Orioles fan base extends well into the Carolinas.)

And it does not look the the majority of the schools like the ACC is caving to SU and BC at all.

DC is less expensive than NYC and has all the hotels, restaurants and sights anyone could want. It's super convenient to get to with AMTRAK and three airports. And its a 4 hour drive from Duke, UNC, WF, NCSU and VT. And all of these schools have a ton of alumni in DC. Just like all the large schools do. Just ask Georgetown about the local SU fan base.

bout the local SU fanbase.While the selection of DC isn't done to provoke Maryland, having a Maryland-less ACC Tourney in DC is going to drive the Terrapin Club members insane.

I'd be willing to bet the ACC Tourney will never be in NYC because DC is available and satisfies do many of the schools and the alumni bases.

 

[73CAV]

easy big guy...to the ACC us Northern kids are still considered somewhat newbees insofar as belonging to the conference...DC was a "gift" of the ACC to ND, 'Cuse, BC, Pitt and even Louisville while slapping the B1G and Maryland across their face. What was being indicated is that without Maryland (and don't forget that the ACC only held its BB tournament this far north once in '05) this is a big deal. Geography had little to do with the comment...and the poster who made the comment is very knowledgeable about the geographic implications...we all know that VT, Virginia are close by...as is other ACC members. The point was that ACC is going DC even without Maryland...and the point is it is a stopping point for a northern located tournament in NYC comin soon.

It' Good to be 'Cuse!!..The Order of The 'Cuse Orange...

Actually, not exactly right. 2016 will be the second time the tournament has been held at the Verizon Center. However, it was also played in the Capital Center (Landover, MD) three times between '76 and '87. It really isn't that big a deal. Additionally, in the past, the tournament has taken place six times in Atlanta and once in Tampa. It wouldn't surprise me to see it played one time in either MSG or Barclays, but if it happens more than once that will be shocking. Similarly, I doubt it will ever go back to Tampa, either.

 

[Madbiker]

Aside from MSG, the Verizon Center in DC is a great location for the tourney. It's an easy trip from Syracuse/NYC by car or Amtrak. Plenty of good restaurants and bars nearby. Like it. DC is a central location reasonably close to a lot of the schools (except for the Florida contingent which is going to be far from just about anywhere outside of FL).

Distance from DC:
Charlottsville 117 miles
New York 228
Pittsburgh 245
Durham 258
Raleigh 262
Blacksburg 269
Syracuse 375
Boston 440
Clemson 525
Louisville 607
Atlanta 646

Wouldn't mind having it in DC on a regular basis. It's looking like Barclays is more likely than MSG. The A10 contract is up after 2016. While MSG might entertain booting the BE for the ACC it would have to entail a long term annual commitment and I can't see the ACC doing that to the NC schools/Greensboro.

 

[retro44]

I take it they never watched a Syracuse at GT. game with all the orange shirts.
shhhh

 

[Btstimpy]

Today, Andy Katz went one step closer to what is quickly being discussed as a happening when not if...enjoy his opening segment on the ACC to NYC...whispers getting louder!

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9975475&categoryid=2378529

It's Good to be 'Cuse!! The Order of The 'Cuse Orange...

John Swofford basically told Andy Katz in this interview last month that the ACC wants to hold the men's basketball tournament in New York City. It's like the third or fourth question Katz asked.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/89126/video-swofford-on-state-of-the-acc

Swofford said that the ACC is waiting on one of NY venues to become available. He said that they are both under contract at the moment. Are you hearing that one of them will soon have an opening perhaps in 2017?

Washington, DC's Verizon center is a good venue for the tournament too. It was well attended the last time it was there, and Maryland was bounced in the first round. So it wasn't Maryland fans filling it up.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Given the current revelations we're seeing concerning CTE (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy), college football's days are numbered. In twenty years, the NFL will likely be history. In fact, it will probably be fewer. While the $765 million dollar settlement to which the NFL just agreed was accompanied with denials of culpability, I don't think those protestations matter much. The precedent has been set. Reportedly, UCLA has developed a test for CTE that precludes a post-mortem exam, and Tony Dorsett, Joe DeLamielleure, & Leonard Marshall have all been diagnosed with the condition. The first time a former collegiate player, who never played in the NFL, is diagnosed with CTE and sues his former college, lawyers and insurance execs are going to jump up and take notice. And, even if that takes a while, as publicity surrounding this affliction gains traction, few, if any, mothers are going to let their sons play any kind of organized football. As I write this, I imagine that there are a lot of universities around the country taking a long, hard look at their financial exposure in continuing to field teams, in light of these disclosures. And this says nothing of the pressure that is going to come from public health officials. The fight against tobacco has provided the blue print for the coming struggle.

And for these reasons, Notre Dame will become a full time member of the ACC sooner than anyone would have thought because ACC football is going to cease to exist. I imagine the end result is that collegiate futball will now be played on Saturdays in much larger venues.

I don't think the lawsuits will end the NFL. I think it will be a ban on football for younger kids, which will cut off the pipeline of talent. This will start with high school football, IMO. And I think it will be more than 20 years.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The Verizon Center as a venue for the ACC tourney is a brilliant idea.

DC is seen by the Carolina schools as being inside the Mid-Atlantic area, so while they would prefer it to be in NC or Atlanta, it is "acceptable". (The Orioles fan base extends well into the Carolinas.)

And it does not look the the majority of the schools like the ACC is caving to SU and BC at all.

DC is less expensive than NYC and has all the hotels, restaurants and sights anyone could want. It's super convenient to get to with AMTRAK and three airports. And its a 4 hour drive from Duke, UNC, WF, NCSU and VT. And all of these schools have a ton of alumni in DC. Just like all the large schools do. Just ask Georgetown about the local SU fan base.

bout the local SU fanbase.While the selection of DC isn't done to provoke Maryland, having a Maryland-less ACC Tourney in DC is going to drive the Terrapin Club members insane.

I'd be willing to bet the ACC Tourney will never be in NYC because DC is available and satisfies do many of the schools and the alumni bases.

This makes a lot of sense, and a trip to DC in March is likely as good as a trip to NYC for most fans.

 

[Alsacs]

Washington D.C. is going to have thousands of alums of almost every ACC school so its a perfect compromise spot. If I was running the ACC I would rotate the basketball tournament in 4 spots.

Year 1 Greensboro- respect tradition even if its not the best spot its the conference HQ.
Year 2 Atlanta- capital of the South and easily accessible for all teams either by driving or short flight.
Year 3 MSG/NYC- World's most famous city in the World's most famous arena.
Year 4- Washington D.C.-helps recruiting, good compromise area between the Northern and Southern schools and the arena will sellout.

I would rotate these 4 spots and its perfect for the ACC 1 NYC, 1 Greensboro and 2 other big cities that both sides will like.

 

[Chip]

Selfishly, I love this one. Verizon Center is perfectly located in DC (although the Verizon Center's/formerly MCI Center's creation is what turned that part of downtown into what it is today).

People should realize though, this isn't a first time event. ACC tournament was here in 2005, and I think regardless of the expansion, was always planning to come back at some point.

 

[Townie72]

The Big East Tourney was great in NYC. But NYC ---- in spite of all its positives --- has significant negatives if you are coming from the Carolinas or further South.

And Washington DC as a venue has the benefit of sticking a finger in the eye of both Maryland and Georgetown. GU, afterall, plays its "Home" games at the Verizon Center which during the ACC Tourney is going to be decorated with ACC logos everywhere. While the Hoyas are playing Providence and Seton Hall in NYC, the press coverage in DC will be dominated by the ACC tourney.

 

[Madbiker]

Washington D.C. is going to have thousands of alums of almost every ACC school so its a perfect compromise spot. If I was running the ACC I would rotate the basketball tournament in 4 spots.

Year 1 Greensboro- respect tradition even if its not the best spot its the conference HQ.
Year 2 Atlanta- capital of the South and easily accessible for all teams either by driving or short flight.
Year 3 MSG/NYC- World's most famous city in the World's most famous arena.
Year 4- Washington D.C.-helps recruiting, good compromise area between the Northern and Southern schools and the arena will sellout.

I would rotate these 4 spots and its perfect for the ACC 1 NYC, 1 Greensboro and 2 other big cities that both sides will like.

Reasonable on the surface. But highly unlikely that MSG would break its contract with the Big East to host once every 4 years. Barclays might go for it though since its contract with the A-10 is up after 2016 I believe.

 

[Townie72]

I'm, not in the US so I missed the recent SU at Maryland FB game the other night.

But I know a lot of you all went and had interactions with the Maryland fans and had observations about the atmosphere at Byrd.

In an email conversation with one of the Terrapin faithful I know pretty well he gave me his explanation for the mood at Byrd.

First, they were disappointed at losing. This was the game they needed for "bowl eligibility" and with this loss its harder to see where the 6th win is coming from. They expected to win against a foe they considered to be "mediocre".

But --- and this ties to basketball and the ACC tourney in DC --- he described the whole night at Byrd as "surreal".

What they saw on the field in the flesh was a team from Upstate NY who was going to the ACC --- "their" conference and their team that was going off to a Midwest conference to play completely unfamiliar opponents. Although they know it isn't true, they couldn't help but to think that SU was taking their place in a conference that they were a charter member of. And that they were being sent to a place they were told would be better, but many think will not be better.

Up until that night, my buddy wrote to me, "Conference realignment was theoretical and something that was going to happen in the future". Seeing SU with ACC logos on their jerseys made it all real.

Now if that was the reaction in a football game --- a sport they aren't all that high on --- wait till the ACC tourney is in DC. The Terrapin faithful LOVE ACC basketball. Beating Duke at Maryland created a "high" for the Terp fans that was like nothing else.

The reality of Duke and UNC and SU and Pitt and ND at the Verizon Center will bring home to them just what Loh and these guys did to them. And it ain't going to be pretty. They are going to get really mad when the reality bites them in the posterior. I'm talking "furiously mad".

The ONLY reason Maryland went to the Big 10 was for the money because they were running the Athletic Department in the red and had no other way out. (For some reason I think this was like being so far in debt that you borrow money from "The Mob". It solves the immediate problem but creates a whole new set of problems).