ACC: 9 FB games, 18 BB games, keeping clusterfark divisions

[zibby]

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/co...lumn-acc-scheduling-20111011,0,2022380.column

I'm going to need a crib sheet to remember who's in what division. Why can't they recognize how dumb the divisions are?

 

[javadoc]

I'm going to need a crib sheet to remember who's in what division. Why can't they recognize how dumb the divisions are?

Well, I am not a fan of having to wrestle with an unbalanced schedule. Maybe we'll soon be back at the point where we can do 2-for-1's with the MAC or the Sun Belt and make it easier to get 7 home games most seasons.

 

[cuseguy]

Talks about SU and Pitt playing in different divisions. Wow. That's pretty stupid. That means we may only play Pitt twice every eight years.

 

[BlazeOrange]

Talks about SU and Pitt playing in different divisions. Wow. That's pretty stupid. That means we may only play Pitt twice every eight years.

Each team has a cross-division "rival" that they play each year. Putting SU & Pitt in separate divisions means they could be each others rivals and play every year. It's the easiest scenario to implement since no changes would need to be made to the existing scheme for the rest of the conference.

With a large group of decision makers, the easiest solution is usually the most likely to be agreed on. But it isn't certain.

 

[Faegan]

I would guess we would be in the Coastal with BC as our cross-divisional rival. Pitt goes in the Atlantic with Virginia Tech as their cross-divisional rival. The other obvious scenario is BC and VTech maintaining their rivalry, with Pitt being ours.

 

[KaiserUEO]

10 conf games is interesting.

if the other bigboys follow suit, with very few ooc games that clearly will be the end of bullshlit teams like boise getting a bcs bid based on 1 big win over an AQ.

would also put a damper on nds little scheduling monopoly.



Oh Lord

 

[jerrycuse]

I think would prefer Syracuse to be in the "Coastal" with Virginia Tech and Miami. Then have BC as the "rival". Pitt's rival could be Virginia Tech. BC and Virginia Tech are rivals now, so it could be easily flipped. We would lose the annual game with Pitt but gain it with the other three.

Plus, wouldn't we play Pitt every 3 years or twice every 6 years? 6 division games, 1 rival game, plus rotating 2 cross-division games in a 9-game schedule. The 2 cross-division games would be rotating amongst 6 cross-divisional opponents (the seventh cross-division team is a rival and you play every year).

 

[Orangello]

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/co...lumn-acc-scheduling-20111011,0,2022380.column

I'm going to need a crib sheet to remember who's in what division. Why can't they recognize how dumb the divisions are?

Anybody else get achuckle out of this:

"Virginia Tech is the only ACC team not playing an outside game against a major conference opponent this season, but that's an aberration for the Hokies.

"We have Ohio State in '14 and '15, and Wisconsin in '16 and '17," Weaver said. "I think we all ought to do that. That way we're all doing the same thing.

"Then there's only one other game (to schedule) and … here at Virginia Tech we'd probably play a I-AA program because the guarantees are cheaper, and I still think we have an obligation to help those programs. …"

James Madison agrees.

 

[CUSEBB1]

I think would prefer Syracuse to be in the "Coastal" with Virginia Tech and Miami. Then have BC as the "rival". Pitt's rival could be Virginia Tech. BC and Virginia Tech are rivals now, so it could be easily flipped. We would lose the annual game with Pitt but gain it with the other three.

Plus, wouldn't we play Pitt every 3 years or twice every 6 years? 6 division games, 1 rival game, plus rotating 2 cross-rival games in a 9-game schedule. The 2 cross-rival games would be rotating amongst 6 cross-divisional opponents (the seventh cross-division team is a rival and you play every year).

Reading and grasping that hurt me brain.but i like it.

 

[Chip]

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/co...lumn-acc-scheduling-20111011,0,2022380.column

I'm going to need a crib sheet to remember who's in what division. Why can't they recognize how dumb the divisions are?

Weaver says they have an obligation to help the 1AAs, that's funny. They probably lost to JMU on purpose.

I was hoping that the 9 game schedule thing would pick up everywhere, Pac 12 has had it for years. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd guess the Pac 12 schools have scheduled less 1AA games than any other conference. So I hope that along with 9 game schedules, everyone will play 1A for their other 3 and end this 1AA nonsense that, in my opinion, makes the college game worse. App State and JMU stories, notwithstanding.

SU and Pitt in different divisions makes sense from the ease of transition standpoint, these schools started their divisional rivalries back in 2005, so they probably want to keep it. Not the end of the world if it blows up, only been 7 years, but still... The challenging part is which one gets in the division with BC and Maryland? That school is guaranteed to play the other as crossover, and get BC and Maryland. I guess that's better if it's us. We'd also get Clemson and FSU each year which is a plus. Minus is no VT, no Miami, no UVA. Selfishly for me on UVA because it's a close and desirable trip unlike undesirable College Park and all its Maryland hicks (sorry proud Marylanders, but I'm one as well so I can say this, it's more hick than not, certainly more than Virginia). But there has to be give and take, we can't get the best schools each year, just won't work out, have to pick our poison.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

I have actually given this a lot of thought and I agree with Jerry here and predict that is exactly how it will work out. Syracuse will most likely end up in the Coastal Division with Boston College as its permanent crossover game while Pitt will end up in the Atlantic Disvision with Virginia Tech as its annual crossover game. That makes the most sense for everyone, IMHO.

For those who don't know the current setup, here it is (crossover game is listed in corresponding order):
Atlantic: Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, Maryland, NC State, Wake Forest
Coastal: Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke

Remember, this is a classic zipper alignment with a team from each region basically being split up. By putting Syracuse in a division opposite Boston College, that would allow the ACC greater access to the valuable New York - New England corridor.

Also, for this to work best it is imperative for us each to establish or re-establish rivalries in our new league. For Pitt that's going to be pretty tough as we already have annual games against West Virginia and Notre Dame and people feel pretty strongly about both of those games. The only way that I see either of those games ceasing is if those teams decide that they no longer wish to play. And I'm not even talking about the now dormant Penn State game - the granddaddy of them all for most Pitt fans (and SU too I presume).

That means that Pitt needs to get Maryland and Virginia Tech on our home schedule every other year as Maryland is very similar to us in many ways and is just a short four hour drive from Pittsburgh. That could easily blossom into a rivalry. As for Virginia Tech, we have played some incredible games against them over the years and their fans always came to Pitt in droves. I suspect that would continue if we played each other every year.

For Syracuse, I suspect that renewing your game with Miami is extremely important to you and obviously so too is your now annual game against Boston College. Also, you would get the added "benefit" - if you can call it that - of regular home men's basketball games against Duke and North Carolina - many of which, I believe, will be played in MSG for territorial reasons. That is presuming that the ACC adopts divisions in men's basketball - which is not guaranteed.

As a Pitt fan, though I will miss the games against Miami, I actually believe that the Atlantic Division will be better for us in the long run as all of the schools on that side of the docket are good traveling fan bases and that is a big issue for us.

One word of caution about all of this. I have heard from a number of folks "in the know" that the Tobacco Road consortium have already begun pushing for a North/South split - apparently the current zipper alignment has not been kind to Duke's and Wake's football attendance - and if they get their way the Virginia schools would likely lose out in that scenario. That may be why the VA schools are being so pushy about this issue. Anyway, here is how it would likely look in a North/South split:

North: Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Miami
South: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest

I think they'll stick with the zipper arrangement and will only consider a radical overhaul if the league goes to 16 teams.

 

[javadoc]

North: Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Miami
South: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest

That was discussed previously here as one reason that the vote to expand was unanimous - the old school ACC could get back, somewhat, to playing the schedule that they were accustomed to. That alignment really does look like "Big East division" and "ACC division."

 

[Alsacs]

I would guess we would be in the Coastal with BC as our cross-divisional rival. Pitt goes in the Atlantic with Virginia Tech as their cross-divisional rival. The other obvious scenario is BC and VTech maintaining their rivalry, with Pitt being ours.

You nailed it either we go into the Atlantic and Pitt becomes our cross-over opponent, or we go into the Coastal and BC becomes our cross-over and Pitt replaces BC for Virginia Tech.

 

[Jake]

Where do I sign up. We get Va Tech, BC and Miami back on the FB schedule? Would they consider the same two division lineup for hoops? Home and home with the six other teams in your division and you play six of the 7 teams in the opposite? Its probably not going to happen, but whoa, if it did.

 

[AZOrange]

if the other bigboys follow suit, with very few ooc games that clearly will be the end of bullshlit teams like boise getting a bcs bid based on 1 big win over an AQ.

This is a joke right? Boise State has like 2 undefeated seasons in the last 5 years. how many games have they lost? 5? They have also won the fiesta twice too. This is crazy to me. They can beat anyone (oregon twice, vtech, georgia, tcu, oklahoma all come to mind in the last couple of years).

 

[omniorange]

Sorry, don't see SU in the Coastal. UNC, Duke, GT, Virginia and Miami will all prefer playing Pitt to us in football.

I see us going to the Atlantic with Pitt our cross-over rivalry game and BC our annual Thanksgiving Weekend game.

Cheers,
Neil

P.S. if I'm correct we will likely play FSU at the Meadowlands in some of these years as well rather than in the Dome.

 

[raf4488]

Where do I sign up. We get Va Tech, BC and Miami back on the FB schedule? Would they consider the same two division lineup for hoops? Home and home with the six other teams in your division and you play six of the 7 teams in the opposite? Its probably not going to happen, but whoa, if it did.

Coach K said today he's in favor of a 19 game league schedule- home and home against your division plus one game against each school in the other division. I'd love this.

 

[omniorange]

Coach K said today he's in favor of a 19 game league schedule- home and home against your division plus one game against each school in the other division. I'd love this.

That's because Coach K also thinks the divisions will be the original 7 ACC members and all of the additions afterward in the other. That's not happening. But what a killer division that would be in football - FSU, Miami, VT, GT, Pitt, BC, and us.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[PoppyHart]

10 conf games is interesting.

if the other bigboys follow suit, with very few ooc games that clearly will be the end of bullshlit teams like boise getting a bcs bid based on 1 big win over an AQ.

would also put a damper on nds little scheduling monopoly.



Oh Lord

Riiiiiiight. :crazy:

 

[CuseLegacy]

That was discussed previously here as one reason that the vote to expand was unanimous - the old school ACC could get back, somewhat, to playing the schedule that they were accustomed to. That alignment really does look like "Big East division" and "ACC division."

Exactly. The day that we and Pitt were added to the ACC it was stated by the Wake AD that part of the reason for going to 14 teams was to enable the conference to "correct" the current conference play, allowing old rivals to play each other once every season. Old ACC/Old BE here we come.

 

[KaiserUEO]

This is a joke right? Boise State has like 2 undefeated seasons in the last 5 years. how many games have they lost? 5? They have also won the fiesta twice too. This is crazy to me. They can beat anyone (oregon twice, vtech, georgia, tcu, oklahoma all come to mind in the last couple of years).

they suck.

are useless.

and got lucky.

end of story.

and with multiple confs playing more conf games, where would nd find games??

besides v rut and storz...

:rolling:

 

[kingottoiii]

10 conf games is interesting.

if the other bigboys follow suit, with very few ooc games that clearly will be the end of bullshlit teams like boise getting a bcs bid based on 1 big win over an AQ.

would also put a damper on nds little scheduling monopoly.



Oh Lord

I think it is a scare tactic to get ND to join. If everyone is playing 10 conf games then ND can't schedule. IMO 10 games would be awful. That means 11 BCS games a year. So you would have to go 5-6 just to get to a Bowl. Why make it harder to have Bowl eligibel teams? Going 4-7 vs BCS teams isn't really that bad but it keeps you out of a Bowl.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I think it is a scare tactic to get ND to join. If everyone is playing 10 conf games then ND can't schedule. IMO 10 games would be awful. That means 11 BCS games a year. So you would have to go 5-6 just to get to a Bowl. Why make it harder to have Bowl eligibel teams? Going 4-7 vs BCS teams isn't really that bad but it keeps you out of a Bowl.

id say its a scare tactic too. but it certainly adds more inventory and puts more of an onus on winning your conf. plus, lets say college goes to a 13 game season, with 1 bye, instead of 2...and everyone still plays conf champ games on the 1st sat in dec, this can be done.

all this can be avoided simply by the SEC just getting it done with mizzou and letting realignment come to a close by the then bevo9 officially killing the bigeast.



Oh Lord

 

[BORZAK]

14
North: Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Miami
South: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest
16
North: Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland,, Virginia Tech, Miami, UConn,Notre Dame
South: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest,Virginia

 

[kingottoiii]

That's because Coach K also thinks the divisions will be the original 7 ACC members and all of the additions afterward in the other. That's not happening. But what a killer division that would be in football - FSU, Miami, VT, GT, Pitt, BC, and us.

Cheers,
Neil

I think UNC, Duke, MD, and UVA care most about each other. As long as those 4 are together they can be happy. Then add in FSU, Clemson, and NC St and I think all is good.

FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA, MD, NC St, Duke
Miami, VT, GA Tech, Pitt, SU, BC, Wake

Pretty even for both sports.