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Message: [QUOTE="Chip, post: 176431, member: 19"] I think people are giving Clemson a bit too much credit. Great football atmosphere, plenty of traveling fans, makes for an interesting opponent, but really haven't been all that good before this year (and really not even all that good this year). If you isolate the 12 game regular season in recent history they're probably an 7-8 win program, hard to find better than 9-3. 6-6 as recently as 2010. If Golden stays at Miami, I think our chances are going to be equally challenging in either division. The one upside that Coastal has is a bottom feeding Duke program. I assume the ACC knew even back when they were expanding that they were not going to change the divisions they had already setup. So this scenario was the only way for us to play Pitt and BC every year. And even though that may not be as interesting, I think it was one of the more important things for us to secure for traditional opponent/history/geography. [/QUOTE]