ACC/BIG EAST Basketball Merger

[PhatOrange]

How much revenue from Football bowl games should be shared with non-football schools??

Asking for a friend...

None. Seems like the basketball conference and football conference would be two separate entities.

 

[donniesyracuse]

While I am thrilled to finally be in a conference with Butler, Xavier, and Creighton, I wonder if the increased revenue from such an entity would make up for the pie being divided by twenty-nine.

 

[kingtidge]

None. Seems like the basketball conference and football conference would be two separate entities.

... and schools with different athletic priorities.

 

[AcAndAc]

29 teams. Find 3 more. 32 teams

4 divisions of 8

1
Marquette
George Mason (adding from the A10)
VCU (A10)
Virginia
Virginia Tech
St John
Seton Hall
Providence

2
Cal
Stanford
ND
San Diego State (thanks mountain west)
Creighton
Xavier
Butler
DePaul

3
Cuse
Pitt
Uconn
Georgetown
Villanova
BC
SMU
Louisville

4
Duke
UNC
NC State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Miami
FSU

Perfect? Of course not. Fun thoughts though

Play each team in your division twice (14) plus 3 home from the other divisions and 3 away as well 20 conf games. Rotate yearly (maybe less division games and more cross conference)

Tournament can be top 4 from each conference

Rotating conf championship sites (MSG, Chicago, NC)

Add one team and three divisions of 10:

Northeast: UConn, BC, Syracuse, Providence, St Johns, Seton Hall, Pitt, Villanova, Georgetown, (ADD someone)
Southeast: Virginia Tech, Virginia, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, Clemson, Ga Tech, Miami, FSU
Notsoeast: SMU, Louisville, Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Creighton, Cal, Stanford, ND, Butler

9 games against division, play 1/2 of other divisions each (5 + 5) = 19 conference games.

Top 30 teams make the ACC tournament with top 2 teams getting a bye into the second round. First round games on home sites Saturday before Big Dance announced. And then proceed as 16 team tournament that Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday .

 

[Jasoncuse]

Add one team and three divisions of 10:

Northeast: UConn, BC, Syracuse, Providence, St Johns, Seton Hall, Pitt, Villanova, Georgetown, (ADD someone)
Southeast: Virginia Tech, Virginia, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, Clemson, Ga Tech, Miami, FSU
Notsoeast: SMU, Louisville, Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Creighton, Cal, Stanford, ND, Butler

9 games against division, play 1/2 of other divisions each (5 + 5) = 19 conference games.

Top 30 teams make the ACC tournament with top 2 teams getting a bye into the second round. First round games on home sites Saturday before Big Dance announced. And then proceed as 16 team tournament that Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday .

I think it'd be better to dump 5 Big East teams and go 24 (adios Seton Hall, Depaul, Xavier, Providence, Butler) with two 12 teams leagues (and divisions if needed).

ACC:
Atlantic:
Duke
UNC
UVa
Wake
NC St
Clemson
Coastal:
FSU
Stanford
Cal
SMU
G Tech
Miami

Big East:
Pigskin:
Syracuse
Pitt
BC
VT
Louisville
UConn
Roundball:
Notre Dame
St Johns
Georgetown
Creighton
Marquette
Villanova

22 conference games: 2x against in division teams (10gms), 1x against other division in conference (6gms), 1x against other league division (6gms - play other division the next year)

All make ACC/BE Tourney. Top 2 in each division get bye (or top 4 in each league), with the other 16 teams playing Fri/Sat to open championship week, with the 8 winners advancing to meet the 8 byes starting Tuesday at MSG/Charlotte.

It'll never happen, but it'd be fun.

 

[baggerbob]

None. Seems like the basketball conference and football conference would be two separate entities.

That was the problem with the Big East they weren't. It was all one contract which the basketball schools didn't like.

 

[General20]

This is silly. I'm a basketball guy and wish conferences were built to give us a great basketball product, but they are built to make money. No way schools that play football can allow non football playing schools to have a controlling vote over how they are going to make money moving forward, and I can't imagine basketball only schools joining a conference where they have no vote on how things get run.

 

[TexanMark]

How much revenue from Football bowl games should be shared with non-football schools??

Asking for a friend...

 

[Cusefan95]

Pitino’s quote in the article is telling, since he comments on Presidents only being focused on the bottom line. He’s basically saying “I know this makes no sense financially….but just think of the great basketball!!!”.

I have, sadly, been part of a project to take a fantastic business concept to market even though we made it at a loss. The idea was that economies of scale would help, and other miracles would happen and it would all work out. It did not all work out. This feels very similar - bring together a bunch of basketball brands that aren’t what they once were, then nostalgia and other currently unspecified miracles will happen and carry this to financial viability.

I particularly like the version which appears to throw a bone to UConn and adds their football to whatever this mess of insanity is. Why exactly do we want to throw UConn a lifeline to their drowning athletic department? And why do the ACC schools suddenly want to forgive UConn suing them?

 

[AcAndAc]

Pitino’s quote in the article is telling, since he comments on Presidents only being focused on the bottom line. He’s basically saying “I know this makes no sense financially….but just think of the great basketball!!!”.

I have, sadly, been part of a project to take a fantastic business concept to market even though we made it at a loss. The idea was that economies of scale would help, and other miracles would happen and it would all work out. It did not all work out. This feels very similar - bring together a bunch of basketball brands that aren’t what they once were, then nostalgia and other currently unspecified miracles will happen and carry this to financial viability.

I particularly like the version which appears to throw a bone to UConn and adds their football to whatever this mess of insanity is. Why exactly do we want to throw UConn a lifeline to their drowning athletic department? And why do the ACC schools suddenly want to forgive UConn suing them?

Are we going to forgive Clemson and FSU?

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Are we going to forgive Clemson and FSU?

Nope, but we're bound to them for at least a few more years.

 

[PhatOrange]

That was the problem with the Big East they weren't. It was all one contract which the basketball schools didn't like.

Seems to me this would be the way to go. I don't understand why conferences have to be all or nothing. A 30 team mega basketball conference I think would be quite valuable to television.

Football could be completely separate.

The 30 basketball schools split the basketball money, the 16 football schools keep and split the football money

 

[AcAndAc]

Nope, but we're bound to them for at least a few more years.

I think they see it as being bound to us for the next few years... but Clemson/FSU will do us more harm than UConn ever did or could have done...

 

[Cusefan95]

Are we going to forgive Clemson and FSU?

UConn sued because they wanted to get in to the ACC. Florida State and Clemson are suing because they wanted out.

So other than being literally completely opposite examples, there’s some similarities between those. Like - all three are universities…

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

I think they see it as being bound to us for the next few years... but Clemson/FSU will do us more harm than UConn ever did or could have done...

Yep. None of these schools really care for one another; it's purely a financial relationship.

 

[Scooch]

Seems to me this would be the way to go. I don't understand why conferences have to be all or nothing. A 30 team mega basketball conference I would think would be quite valuable to television.

Football could be completely separate.

The 30 basketball schools split the basketball money, the 16 football schools keep and split the football money

The best thing for college athletics would be for football to break off into its own thing, and have schools assemble conference(s) for everything else based on geography and institutional fit.

That'll never happen but it would be great.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Play 10 conference games, and the last month of the season is the ACC/BE Tournament.

Since the powers that be will never agree on a site (MSG or Greensboro), this is a non-starter.

The tournament should be in DC and Charlotte on a to get down to 8, then to MSG.

 

[djorange1989]

Dumb idea. The smart idea? The Power football conferences need to separate football from all other sports. No more Cal playing BC in volleyball. Put all other sports into geographically logical conferences. So, we play the current teams in ACC football and old East Coast rivals in hoops and all other sports. As do every other P4 football school

 

[OttosShoes]

Football could be completely separate.

The best thing for college athletics would be for football to break off into its own thing, and have schools assemble conference(s) for everything else based on geography and institutional fit.

That'll never happen but it would be great.

This is basically what Kent wants. It really is a fantastic idea. Football gets to do its own thing, the NCAA gets the middle finger, and conferences can focus more on other sports.

New college football league proposed by Kent Syverud-backed group

 

[miamicuse]

Well then have a separate conference for every sport. Football, basketball, volleyball, rowing, tennis, T&, cross country skiing, swimming...everyone control its own destiny. The profit making sports will no longer fund the non revenue sports.

 

[Scooch]

This is basically what Kent wants. It really is a fantastic idea. Football gets to do its own thing, the NCAA gets the middle finger, and conferences can focus more on other sports.

New college football league proposed by Kent Syverud-backed group

Football drives somewhere between 90-95% of media rights revenue anyway, so it's not like having basketball, soccer and rowing all be housed in the same conference alignment as football makes any damn difference financially.

The whole concept of sending all Syracuse teams across the country to the Bay Area for games because Stanford and Cal needed a home for football is unfathomably, impossibly dumb.

But of course, the people running college sports are also unfathomably, impossibly dumb. At least they're ludicrously greedy.

 

[Cusefan95]

Football drives somewhere between 90-95% of media rights revenue anyway, so it's not like having basketball, soccer and rowing all be housed in the same conference alignment as football makes any damn difference financially.

The whole concept of sending all Syracuse teams across the country to the Bay Area for games because Stanford and Cal needed a home for football is unfathomably, impossibly dumb.

But of course, the people running college sports are also unfathomably, impossibly dumb. At least they're ludicrously greedy.

Stupid greedy is probably most accurate. Wellington Mara agreed to go in on nationalized TV rights, even though it didn’t benefit the Giants in the short run. The long run is a different story.

If the major colleges could find a way to all go in on one league, and then sell the rights the way the NFL does - it would probably boost revenues tremendously. Instead we’re stuck with a broken conference model where they beat each other to death fighting over a dime instead of working together to make a dollar.

 

[AcAndAc]

Stupid greedy is probably most accurate. Wellington Mara agreed to go in on nationalized TV rights, even though it didn’t benefit the Giants in the short run. The long run is a different story.

If the major colleges could find a way to all go in on one league, and then sell the rights the way the NFL does - it would probably boost revenues tremendously. Instead we’re stuck with a broken conference model where they beat each other to death fighting over a dime instead of working together to make a dollar.

Bingo.

 

[grepal]

Add one team and three divisions of 10:

Northeast: UConn, BC, Syracuse, Providence, St Johns, Seton Hall, Pitt, Villanova, Georgetown, (ADD someone)
Southeast: Virginia Tech, Virginia, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, Clemson, Ga Tech, Miami, FSU
Notsoeast: SMU, Louisville, Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Creighton, Cal, Stanford, ND, Butler

9 games against division, play 1/2 of other divisions each (5 + 5) = 19 conference games.

Top 30 teams make the ACC tournament with top 2 teams getting a bye into the second round. First round games on home sites Saturday before Big Dance announced. And then proceed as 16 team tournament that Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday .

Not fsu them. Let them be nomads.

 

[AcAndAc]

Not fsu them. Let them be nomads.

Suppose that is another option altogether. Ditch FSU and Clemson and go with 27 teams:

Northeast: UConn, BC, Syracuse, Providence, St Johns, Seton Hall, Pitt, Villanova, Georgetown (9)
Southeast: Virginia Tech, Virginia, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, Ga Tech, Miami, Louisville (9)
Notsoeast: SMU, Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Creighton, Cal, Stanford, ND, Butler (9).

Play each division once, 5 of one other division 4 of the other.

Top 3 get a bye, bottom 6 play in.