ACC division champion tiebreaker question.

[blust2i3d4]

What if Syracuse beats Clemson, Syracuse finishes 8-4, Clemson finishes 10-2, both loses 2 games inside ACC and all other teams having more than 2 losses, then which team represents Atlantic Division and goes to ACC championship game? Is the first tiebreaker head-to-head or overall record? Thanks.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Who will bring more fans to Charlotte for the championship game.

 

[dasher]

What if Syracuse beats Clemson, Syracuse finishes 8-4, Clemson finishes 10-2, both loses 2 games inside ACC and all other teams having more than 2 losses, then which team represents Atlantic Division and goes to ACC championship game? Is the first tiebreaker head-to-head or overall record? Thanks.

Of all of the things to wonder about...We aren't finishing 8-4

 

[orange79]

This is from two years ago, but I assume it still holds.

ACC
Two teams: Head-to-head

Three or more teams:

1. Combined head-to-head winning percentage among the tied teams.
2. Winning percentage of the tied teams within the division.
3. Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall (divisional and non-divisional) conference winning percentage, and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken first to last, using the league's tie-breaking procedures.
4. Combined winning percentage versus all common non-divisional opponents.
5. Combined winning percentage versus all non-divisional opponents.
6. Winning percentage versus common non-divisional opponents based upon their order of finish (overall conference winning percentage) and proceeding through other common non-divisional opponents based upon their divisional order of finish. The tied team with the highest ranking in the full (College Football Playoff) standings following the conclusion of regular season games, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the two-team tiebreaking procedure shall be applied between the top two ranked tied teams. If all tied teams are not ranked in the full (College Football Playoff) Standings, the computer ranking portion of the Standings will be used, eliminating the high and the low computer ranking, and averaging the remaining rankings. (This portion of the publicly available rule is outdated, as the College Football Playoff no longer uses BCS computers.)
7. The representative shall be chosen by a draw as administered by the Commissioner or Commissioner's designee.

 

[orange79]

The above was from a news site. Below is from the ACC Conference manual.

Section VIII-4. Divisional Tiebreakers.
If more than one team in the same division is tied for the best winning percentage in its Conference games then, in order
to determine the divisional champion, the procedures listed below will be followed.
a. TWO-TEAM TIE.
1. Head-to-head competition between the two tied teams
2. Records of the tied teams within the division.
3. Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall record (divisional and
non-divisional). Conference record and proceeding though the division. Multiple ties within the division
broken from first to last.
4. Overall record versus all common non-divisional opponents
5. Combined record vs. all non-division teams
6. Record versus common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish (divisional and non-divisional)
and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
7. The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the end of
regular season games shall be the divisional representative in the ACC Championship Game.
8. The representative shall be chosen by a draw.

b. THREE OR MORE TEAM TIE. (Once tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker format is
used):
1. Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams
2. Records of the tied teams within the division.
3. Head-to-head competition vs. the team within the division with the best overall (divisional and non-divisional) Conference record, and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken first to last.
4.Overall record for non-division teams
5. Combined record versus all common non-divisional teams.
6. Record versus common non-divisional with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional
record) and proceeding through the other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish
within the division.
7. The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the conclu
sion of regular season games shall be the divisional representative in the ACC Championship
Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this
case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the
ACC Championship Game.
8. The representative shall be chosen by a draw.

 

[FasterCuse]

Of all of the things to wonder about...We aren't finishing 8-4

You're right. We're going 9-3!!! Go Cuse!

 

[blust2i3d4]

This is from two years ago, but I assume it still holds.

ACC
Two teams: Head-to-head

So in this situation (I know it is unlikely), Syracuse will go to championship game instead of Clemson. I think ACC should modify the tiebreak rules. With one more win, Clemson could go to playoff but Syracuse has no chance.

 

[upperdeck]

why not just have SU finish 9-3 and clemson 11-1 and NC state loseing to Clems and 1 other.

 

[blust2i3d4]

why not just have SU finish 9-3 and clemson 11-1 and NC state loseing to Clems and 1 other.

I can see SU turn good after beating Clemson. But ACC competition is tough. Both teams lose one more game.

 

[orange79]

So in this situation (I know it is unlikely), Syracuse will go to championship game instead of Clemson. I think ACC should modify the tiebreak rules. With one more win, Clemson could go to playoff but Syracuse has no chance.

What is it about the tiebreaker rules you think should be changed? They seem pretty well thought out and reasonable to me.

 

[Chip]

Of all of the things to wonder about...We aren't finishing 8-4

Seriously, where do people come up with this stuff.

If we beat Clemson, we’re going 9-3.

 

[retro44]

This is from two years ago, but I assume it still holds.

ACC
Two teams: Head-to-head

Three or more teams:

1. Combined head-to-head winning percentage among the tied teams.
2. Winning percentage of the tied teams within the division.
3. Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall (divisional and non-divisional) conference winning percentage, and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken first to last, using the league's tie-breaking procedures.
4. Combined winning percentage versus all common non-divisional opponents.
5. Combined winning percentage versus all non-divisional opponents.
6. Winning percentage versus common non-divisional opponents based upon their order of finish (overall conference winning percentage) and proceeding through other common non-divisional opponents based upon their divisional order of finish. The tied team with the highest ranking in the full (College Football Playoff) standings following the conclusion of regular season games, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the two-team tiebreaking procedure shall be applied between the top two ranked tied teams. If all tied teams are not ranked in the full (College Football Playoff) Standings, the computer ranking portion of the Standings will be used, eliminating the high and the low computer ranking, and averaging the remaining rankings. (This portion of the publicly available rule is outdated, as the College Football Playoff no longer uses BCS computers.)
7. The representative shall be chosen by a draw as administered by the Commissioner or Commissioner's designee.

BOTH RULES AND LAWS ARE MADE TO BE BROKEN

Just look at the officials that we have been so lucky to have drawn.

 

[blust2i3d4]

What is it about the tiebreaker rules you think should be changed? They seem pretty well thought out and reasonable to me.

In the case of two or three teams tie, the one with the highest AP rank goes to championship game. This is purely for the consideration of the playoff spot.

 

[Hoo's That]

In the case of two or three teams tie, the one with the highest AP rank goes to championship game. This is purely for the consideration of the playoff spot.

The ACC really places a very high value on head-to-head results as the first tiebreaker for seeding in all sports. It may be an old-fashioned concept, but they try to do what's fairest to all concerned. Not everyone will agree that it's fair, but they do try.

 

[690West]

Seriously, where do people come up with this stuff.

If we beat Clemson, we’re going 9-3.

Sometimes the crazy guy is actually the sage

 

[Chip]

Sometimes the crazy guy is actually the sage

Or the broken clock.