ACC is 1-8 (oops, 1- 9) in bowl games so far this season...

[All4SU]

Can't really look at it that way. Your record is your record. If, the record was 11-1, no one would say hey, it could be 6-6. I will give you an example. People point to our losses to B.C. and Stanford and say, we could have been 11-1. No one includes the two games that we scored td's in the last minute to force OT which we won both games. I haven't heard anyone saying, year we were 9-3 but easily could have been 7-5.

I agree with you for the most part. But in 2018, I felt SU overachieved by a game or two. I don’t feel like SU overachieved this year. We won way more close ones than we lost. And while that could possibly be contributed to luck or chance, when you can do it daily consistently, it’s possible that you’re just good enough to do it.

 

[bpo57]

I would think the books took a beating on our game, what with the huge "middle". I doubt there have been many occasions where the line moved 11 or 12 points.

I recall a situation a few years ago where I believe it was SU playing WVA and their QB (Grier?) opted out. That line moved a fair amount but not like this one.

 

[grepal]

I always root for Virginia Tech to lose and tonight will be no different.

Plus if they lose, there will be a great Jeopardy question one day.

In the 2024 college football season, these two schools were the only ACC teams to win their bowl game, while also being the only teams to lose to Stanford in the Cardinal's inaugural ACC season.

Yeah, hope they play like turkeys...oops!

 

[Cusefan95]

I recall a situation a few years ago where I believe it was SU playing WVA and their QB (Grier?) opted out. That line moved a fair amount but not like this one.

Yeah..Grier sat out, in part because he was projected to be a late 1st rounder. Ended up going to Carolina in the 3rd round, started 2 games late his rookie season and played terribly, got cut and has basically bounced from one practice squad to another ever since. I remember getting in on Syracuse before he officially announced hoping the line would move significantly if he opted out, although I’m very glad it didn’t really matter since I didn’t need the points anyway. That line swung 9.5 pts (+6.5 to -3) - fairly similar to this year.

 

[bpo57]

ACC 0-13 ATS in the postseason.. The odds of that happening are about one in five thousand, maybe even longer than that.

 

[All4SU]

ACC 0-13 ATS in the postseason.. The odds of that happening are about one in five thousand, maybe even longer than that.

How many of those ACC teams were favored to win? The Spread means very little to me - mainly because I don’t bet. But also because it doesn’t mean anything. All that counts is winning or losing. The ACC lost too many games. But a lot of those games were against higher ranked teams.

 

[Scooch]

The ACC just isn't a particularly good football conference. It's better than any group of 5 conference, but that's about it.

Sadly, the ACC isn't a particularly good basketball conference either.

But soccer and lacrosse? Crushing it.

 

[baggerbob]

How many of those ACC teams were favored to win? The Spread means very little to me - mainly because I don’t bet. But also because it doesn’t mean anything. All that counts is winning or losing. The ACC lost too many games. But a lot of those games were against higher ranked teams.

And a meaningless TD by Washington in the last second let them cover the spread against Fran's reserves.

 

[longtimefan]

And a meaningless TD by Washington in the last second let them cover the spread against Fran's reserves.

Yep. Klatt mentioned at the time that the Wazzu consolation score was a big deal for some folks.

 

[bpo57]

And a meaningless TD by Washington in the last second let them cover the spread against Fran's reserves.

Yeah that was a classic backdoor cover but the others...

 

[bpo57]

How many of those ACC teams were favored to win? The Spread means very little to me - mainly because I don’t bet. But also because it doesn’t mean anything. All that counts is winning or losing. The ACC lost too many games. But a lot of those games were against higher ranked teams.

The ACC lost five games where they were the favorite. Essentially SU was the only team that acquitted itself well. I get the schadenfreude by many over the SEC's woes but the ACC pulled an all-timer in terms of horrific postseason play.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

With all the portaling and opt-outs, it's hard to put any stock in conference records in postseason play.

 

[donniesyracuse]

With all the portaling and opt-outs, it's hard to put any stock in conference records in postseason play.

That should be obvious to everyone, but here we are.

 

[JustPherU]

ACC 0-13 ATS in the postseason.. The odds of that happening are about one in five thousand, maybe even longer than that.

Yeah that’s crazy and probably even more than 5,000-1 odds.You can get almost 5,000-1 odds if you hit a 13 team parlay so that there tells you the real odds are a lot more.

 

[bpo57]

Yeah that’s crazy and probably even more than 5,000-1 odds.You can get almost 5,000-1 odds if you hit a 13 team parlay so that there tells you the real odds are a lot more.

I could very well be wrong but i view the two (13 team parlay and 13 losses ATS) as one and the same. That's where I got the 5,000 to 1 # from.

 

[bpo57]

With all the portaling and opt-outs, it's hard to put any stock in conference records in postseason play.

But every conference has to deal with those issues. To go winless against the spread in 13 out of 13 bowl games is not easy to dismiss. It basically confirms that the league was even worse than most of us thought it was.

 

[JustPherU]

I could very well be wrong but i view the two (13 team parlay and 13 losses ATS) as one and the same. That's where I got the 5,000 to 1 # from.

Yeah that’s how I view them, but Vegas ain’t giving you the true value or they wouldn’t stay in business long.True odds seem like they must be higher than that.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

But every conference has to deal with those issues. To go winless against the spread in 13 out of 13 bowl games is not easy to dismiss. It basically confirms that the league was even worse than most of us thought it was.

Including the spread makes the conference records even more suspect.

 

[bpo57]

Including the spread makes the conference records even more suspect.

2-11 straight up. Either way you slice it, it's ugly.