ACC loses again... but the league is strong

[Alcuse01]

I feel as if each year the big east gets all the focus as being the crap league, the league that doesn't deserve a bcs bid, and then the bowls come and they win (mostly b/c of WV) .

And each year nothing is said of the ACC And their failure to win in the bowls...

I still don't understand how the Big East is always the joke league, but produces at the end, and then the ACC skates by unmentioned, and continues to lose. I also don't understand how that's the driving force behind the league falling apart -- bc the public perception (put out there by the media) is that the big east is weak, and therefore not stable -- b/c other leagues are strong, and strong leagues are where the money is.

How is nothing ever written on the ACC shortcomings?

 

[orangenauburn]

once the big east disappears, the ACC will become the new target

 

[cusestudent]

Simple as this...the ACC has brand name schools like Virginia Tech, Florida State, Miami, Clemson, etc. so there is no possible way they could be a bad conference. The Big East has West Virginia and Pitt for brand name teams. Look at the traditions of the programs in the ACC compared to the Big East and you would naturally think the teams in the ACC are naturally better as well. Why was SU and Pitt added to the ACC? They were a brand name known across the country in multiple sports not because they win tons of national championships...

 

[Chip]

I'm sure this Clemson embarassment will generate some of the writing you are hoping for. Thankfully it wasn't really to a Big East team like a Cincy or Louisville, but rather a Big 12 team.

Big East hasn't produced at the end in recent years. 3 straight BCS bowl losses before tonight. The last 2 weren't competitive games at all, and the 1 before that was a loss to an ACC team where the Big East team scored on its first drive and never again.

 

[anglerman]

They were never bettter than the Big East! Never understood why the people on this board always put this league down. Saying that this year it was the worst BCS conference ever! Well I guess that was dead wrong. The ACC has never been a good football conference.

 

[Scooch]

So now in addition to my suspicion that many people here don't watch games other than SU, I'm starting to wonder if they consume any media besides SU either.

Never seen the ACC called out before? As Seth Myers and Amy Poehler would say... Really?! It's been a recurring topic for a few years now.

Geez, next we're going to get a post about how the Big Ten isn't very good on new year's day and no one says anything about it.

:-/

 

[Fjoinkay]

ACC 2-13
BE 7-7

 

[Stern]

Aside from WV though no Big East School has done much in these BCS games in recent years. That has been one of the knocks. WV is the only school that has done anything.

I agree though the ACC is terrible in BCS bowls.

 

[PhatOrange]

I feel as if each year the big east gets all the focus as being the crap league, the league that doesn't deserve a bcs bid, and then the bowls come and they win (mostly b/c of WV) .

And each year nothing is said of the ACC And their failure to win in the bowls...

I still don't understand how the Big East is always the joke league, but produces at the end, and then the ACC skates by unmentioned, and continues to lose. I also don't understand how that's the driving force behind the league falling apart -- bc the public perception (put out there by the media) is that the big east is weak, and therefore not stable -- b/c other leagues are strong, and strong leagues are where the money is.

How is nothing ever written on the ACC shortcomings?

Instead of looking at one game you should look at the OOC schedules and results for the year. I'd be interested to see that breakdown.

Every year the Big East basketball conference is supposed to be the strongest and every year they flame out in the NCAA tournament. Just sayin.

 

[omniorange]

Instead of looking at one game you should look at the OOC schedules and results for the year. I'd be interested to see that breakdown.

Every year the Big East basketball conference is supposed to be the strongest and every year they flame out in the NCAA tournament. Just sayin.

Bad analogy.

The recent praise for the Big East being the best conference in basketball truly began with the 2008-09 year when they had 4 teams in the Elite 8 and two in the Final Four. The next year WVU got to the Final Four while we flamed out in the Sweet 16 due to AO's injury, otherwise there would have been 2 Big East teams in the Final Four again with SU likely being the champion. Last year the conference underperformed as a whole with 11 teams in the Dance, but UConn won it all to take the edge off it.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[PhatOrange]

Bad analogy.

The recent praise for the Big East being the best conference in basketball truly began with the 2008-09 year when they had 4 teams in the Elite 8 and two in the Final Four. The next year WVU got to the Final Four while we flamed out in the Sweet 16 due to AO's injury, otherwise there would have been 2 Big East teams in the Final Four again with SU likely being the champion. Last year the conference underperformed as a whole with 11 teams in the Dance, but UConn won it all to take the edge off it.

Cheers,
Neil

yeah you're right. of course while i'm making my bad analogy i'm thinking about uconn winning it all and wondering why i'm going to finish the sentence.

2-12 in bcs games doesn't really define the strength of a conference though, it's just one game.

 

[cusestudent]

yeah you're right. of course while i'm making my bad analogy i'm thinking about uconn winning it all and wondering why i'm going to finish the sentence.

2-12 in bcs games doesn't really define the strength of a conference though, it's just one game.

So what the record shows is that the best team in the ACC is generally not as good as the top teams from the other conferences...

 

[Chip]

So now in addition to my suspicion that many people here don't watch games other than SU, I'm starting to wonder if they consume any media besides SU either.

Never seen the ACC called out before? As Seth Myers and Amy Poehler would say... Really?! It's been a recurring topic for a few years now.

Geez, next we're going to get a post about how the Big Ten isn't very good on new year's day and no one says anything about it.

:-/

Does the original poster know that we're going from the Big East to the ACC? Can't help but be curious.

But if one so desired to read lines and lines of negative press about our new conference, one only needs to create a Twitter account, follow all the college football sports writers, and then read everything they wrote last night.

Will this mean we need to cheer for our conference mates again? If so, point that gun straight between my eyes please. It's a big head, so don't miss the important part, I have a low tolerance for pain.

 

[OrangeMojo]

The ACC hasn't had a truly elite team in YEARS - ever since FSU came back down to earth and when the Miami acquisition didn't pan out as planned. And several times in recent years the ACC champ has been really average at best (Wake Forest one year and a couple of the Va Tech teams). If there hadn't been BE reps in there with crappy rankings and no signature wins to provide writers/commentators with an easy target then the ACC would have been receiving the scrutiny instead.

 

[SU2NASA]

West Virginia could have won 100-0 and it wouldn't change that 1) they're exiting for greener pastures in the Big 12, 2) the Big East is losing its brand name teams, and 3) the ACC is still more stable.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Louisville won a BCS game over Wake in 2007. That's half of the ACC total in one game after the split.

Virginia Tech is involved in both ACC BCS wins. They lost to Florida State while still in the BE, and they beat Cincy in 09

The BE is 4-4 in BCS games since the split and 7-7 overall. Most of the teams who one BCS games for the BE have either left the conference or have announced plans to leave the conference. The BE is officially done, and the ACC will eventually begin to live up to expectations (probably as soon as SU joins the conference).

That said, I like what Holgerson said last night. He said, I've only been around 1 year. I know WVU has won 3 BCS games in the past 6 years and WVU was in the BE conference during the past 6 years. He said, this year the other teams in the BE conference gave us everything we could handle.

 

[Orangello]

I feel as if each year the big east gets all the focus as being the crap league, the league that doesn't deserve a bcs bid, and then the bowls come and they win (mostly b/c of WV) .

And each year nothing is said of the ACC And their failure to win in the bowls...

I still don't understand how the Big East is always the joke league, but produces at the end, and then the ACC skates by unmentioned, and continues to lose. I also don't understand how that's the driving force behind the league falling apart -- bc the public perception (put out there by the media) is that the big east is weak, and therefore not stable -- b/c other leagues are strong, and strong leagues are where the money is.

How is nothing ever written on the ACC shortcomings?

Win or lose I'm looking forward to seeing SU play one day in the Orange Bowl if for no other reason to see Opie the Orange and Otto in the same stadium.

 

[Scooch]

This is why whenever conference talk heats up around here I always remind people that "stability" and "revenue" are not necessarily about "wins" and "losses".

Program viability and fan base size trump bad BCS records.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Yep, as Craig James said when someone on ESPN a few weeks ago pointed out that the ACC is 2-11 and Virginia Tech probably didn't deserve an at-large BCS bid; James said, "The ACC is laughing all the way to the bank." And that's the reality in college football I think.

 

[Fjoinkay]

I think the result last night exorcised some demons and released some of my feelings left over after defending the BE against the ACC for the past 7 years or so since the split. That said, this year the ACC finished 2-6 in bowl games. Right now the BE is 3-1. I expect SMU to beat Pitt, so the BE is likely to end up 3-2.

 

[OrangePA]

I'm sure this Clemson embarassment will generate some of the writing you are hoping for. Thankfully it wasn't really to a Big East team like a Cincy or Louisville, but rather a Big 12 team.

Big East hasn't produced at the end in recent years. 3 straight BCS bowl losses before tonight. The last 2 weren't competitive games at all, and the 1 before that was a loss to an ACC team where the Big East team scored on its first drive and never again.

Will the BE will be able to count wins by Boise State, Houston, and perhaps SMU in its post-season record?

 

[shantydaze]

One also needs to look at the competition each league faced in its bowl games. BCS Rankings in parenthesis:

Missouri (26) def. North Carolina (47)
Louisville (38) def. North Carolina State (55)
Florida State (28) def. Notre Dame (30)
Mississippi State (42) def. Wake Forest (59)
Utah (49) def. Georgia Tech (33)
Auburn (25) def. Virginia (36)
Michigan (13) def. Virginia Tech (11)
West Virginia (23) def. Clemson (15)

So the average rank of the ACC opponents was 30.75. Other than the BCS games

Compared to the Big East:

Louisville (38) def. North Carolina State (55)
Rutgers (39) def. Iowa State (31)
Cincinnati (27) def. Vanderbilt (48)
West Virginia (23) def. Clemson (15)

SMU (57) v. Pitt (62)

The average rank of Big East opponents was/is 41.2.

Neither team is lighting it up in terms of playing highly ranked teams in the bowl games, but the competition faced by the ACC was slightly better.

 

[Chip]

Will the BE will be able to count wins by Boise State, Houston, and perhaps SMU in its post-season record?

At the expense of its 70 point bowl record Orange Bowl performance by its outgoing team? Or just include everybody? SMU-Pitt would then be a wash.

Not sure any of it matters. This concept was huge back when the new Big East was being formed in 2004 because you needed a certain average rank to stay in the BCS. So the Big East being allowed to use Louisville's final ranking that year as a CUSA team really helped the league average.

Don't see what it will matter if the BCS moves forward with its plan of just being 1 vs 2, or even +1. The rest of the bowls become affiliations and they won't care if the Big East uses Houston's win or not. They'll care which league has the best chance of traveling a lot of people to the game. Houston's geography could help here, but then again there was an entire end zone of empty seats for their matchup with Penn State, played in-state a mere 4 hours away.

 

[OrangeAl]

West Virginia could have won 100-0 and it wouldn't change that 1) they're exiting for greener pastures in the Big 12, 2) the Big East is losing its brand name teams, and 3) the ACC is still more stable.

Of course the ACC is more stable - they (we) are the ones stealing from the Big East! What other brilliant moves have they made in the last ten years other than to rob five teams from the Big East?

 

[Alcuse01]

Does the original poster know that we're going from the Big East to the ACC? Can't help but be curious.

We are???!!!!!

Unlike many, I was never obsessed with the ACC and wasn't praying for the big east to fall apart and for us to bounce. And I especially miss the old big east. So yeah, while we're taking off, I'm still bitter about how the league was and still is viewed/portrayed.