ACC Nightmare scenario?

[Chip]

Let's say...

Miami decides to self impose a bowl ban as a means to lessen upcoming NCAA sanctions. ACC has asked them to decide before the conf championship game, and if they do decide to do it, ACC said they will be ineligible for the conf championship.

GT beats UNC and Duke. Good chance.

VT loses to FSU tomorrow. Good chance.

That puts GT in the ACC Championship game (UNC and Miami not eligible. GT has 3 conf losses. VT, Duke, UVA would all have at least 4).

GT loses to UGA. Good chance.

GT goes to the ACC Championship game, and somehow beats FSU (or Clemson). Not so good chance.

GT, at 6-6, goes to the Orange Bowl.

If UNC beats GT, then I think VT goes to Conf Championship game. If they should find a way to win, they go to the Orange Bowl, at 6-6.

Do I have that right? The league will be big fans of FSU or Clemson in that championship game. Especially if the one that wins that side, also beats their in-state SEC rival in the finale.

 

[Pyle]

Nice breakdown, it really is a mess. I'll be watching close to see how it all unfolds as the season comes to and end.

 

[billsin01]

Let's say...

Do I have that right? The league will be big fans of FSU or Clemson in that championship game. Especially if the one that wins that side, also beats their in-state SEC rival in the finale.

Ugh, that's disgusting. I remain thoroughly unexcited about teh move for football. Before everyone kills me, I understand that it is necessary, yadda, yadda, yadda ... But I still find it thoroughly difficult to get much more excited about playing in this league than our current league. I even try to watch some of the games as I'm in ACC country. Just abysmal.

 

[mscanlo]

Ugh, that's disgusting. I remain thoroughly unexcited about teh move for football. Before everyone kills me, I understand that it is necessary, yadda, yadda, yadda ... But I still find it thoroughly difficult to get much more excited about playing in this league than our current league. I even try to watch some of the games as I'm in ACC country. Just abysmal.

i watch some SEC games, since I'm in ACC/SEC country as well, that are abysmal. Every conference has terrible games

 

[skurey]

There's a scenario for Indiana to make the Rose Bowl at 5-7 or something

 

[Alsacs]

Meh, if that happens Duke will probably go to the ACC Champ game and they will get housed by either Clemson or Florida State so don't worry. FSU and Clemson will be top 10 teams and probably both be BCS teams assuming Clemson beats South Carolina in there last game.

 

[bnoro]

Ugh, that's disgusting. I remain thoroughly unexcited about teh move for football. Before everyone kills me, I understand that it is necessary, yadda, yadda, yadda ... But I still find it thoroughly difficult to get much more excited about playing in this league than our current league. I even try to watch some of the games as I'm in ACC country. Just abysmal.

I'd still rather play Duke, UNC, and Wake than Temple, USF, and Cincy...

 

[Chip]

Ugh, that's disgusting. I remain thoroughly unexcited about teh move for football. Before everyone kills me, I understand that it is necessary, yadda, yadda, yadda ... But I still find it thoroughly difficult to get much more excited about playing in this league than our current league. I even try to watch some of the games as I'm in ACC country. Just abysmal.

I'm still much more excited about going there and playing those teams, as opposed to what we have. I just could never get into this version of the Big East. I know that's easy to say given how bad we've been while in it, but the thought of playing the teams that replaced BC, Miami, VT, it just never appealed to me.

I also think this potential nightmare is an anomaly. Miami will improve if Golden stays, once they get through this mess. UNC will get past their issues as well. VT may not be the program their fans think they are (Alabama of the mid Atlantic), but they are not a 6-6 program either.

I also think FSU or Clemson is going to crush whoever they face in that championship game. Assuming it's FSU at this point.

 

[OrangePA]

Indiana has a chance tp go to Big Ten Championship game with a losing record.

Last year UCLA went to the Pac 12 Championship game at 6-6.

No big deal.

 

[Chip]

Indiana has a chance tp go to Big Ten Championship game with a losing record.

Last year UCLA went to the Pac 12 Championship game at 6-6.

No big deal.

It's not about whether or not they go to the championship game. It's what happens if they win it. I don't think they will.

 

[OrangePA]

It's not about whether or not they go to the championship game. It's what happens if they win it. I don't think they will.

I don't either.

 

[sufandu]

Indiana has a chance tp go to Big Ten Championship game with a losing record.

Last year UCLA went to the Pac 12 Championship game at 6-6.

No big deal.

When was it that a sucky Texas team beat a heavily favored Nebraska team in the Big XII championship game?

 

[billsin01]

I'd still rather play Duke, UNC, and Wake than Temple, USF, and Cincy...

That's fine, I just see them as 6 of one, half-dozen of another. I'm interested b/c it's cuse football. I'm not interested b/c I have any interest whatsoever in any of the those 6 schools. I liked the BE that had the villain (Miami), the budding power (Va Tech), the natural pretty legit rival (BC), a couple really solid, legit programs (Pitt/WVU) and a doormat (RU). Then, even when UConn came aboard, I think it was an interesting potential matchup.

I don't know. The ACC will be fine. I just don't find myself excited about it. I just find it difficult to get into matchups with any teams outside of UMD or BC. But it's fine.

 

[billsin01]

I'm still much more excited about going there and playing those teams, as opposed to what we have. I just could never get into this version of the Big East. I know that's easy to say given how bad we've been while in it, but the thought of playing the teams that replaced BC, Miami, VT, it just never appealed to me.

I also think this potential nightmare is an anomaly. Miami will improve if Golden stays, once they get through this mess. UNC will get past their issues as well. VT may not be the program their fans think they are (Alabama of the mid Atlantic), but they are not a 6-6 program either.

I also think FSU or Clemson is going to crush whoever they face in that championship game. Assuming it's FSU at this point.

I can't argue with this or bnoro's point to any degree. I just don't get fired up about the new matchups either, especially with everything we lost on the hoops side, where -- however irrationally -- I loved the old big east.

 

[billsin01]

Indiana has a chance tp go to Big Ten Championship game with a losing record.

Last year UCLA went to the Pac 12 Championship game at 6-6.

No big deal.

Not a big deal, unless some TV exec realizes that this championship game has yet to produce an intriguing matchup or draw any sort of a crowd.

06 -- Wake (2 losses) vs. Ga. Tech (2 losses) play to a 9-6 Deacons win ... that no one cared about. Wake ends up with 3 losses, Ga Tech with 5.

07 -- VA Tech/BC meet up, both with two losses, each ends up with 3 losses.

08 -- 8-4 va tech meets 9-3 BC (attendance 27K). BC ends up with 5 losses, VA TEch with 4

09 -- Ga tech (10-2) meets clemson (8-4). Tech ends up with 3 losses, with 5

10 -- 10-2 VA Tech meets 9-3 FSU. (highwater attendance mark at 72K) FSU ends up with 4 losses, Tech with 3.

11 -- 10-3 clemson meets 11-2 VA Tech in by far the best matchup. Clemson ends up with 4 losses, TEch with 3.

So, I guess my point would be that the ACC hasn't really produced more than one truly intriguing title game matchup in 7 years. That's not great.

 

[Orangello]

When was it that a sucky Texas team beat a heavily favored Nebraska team in the Big XII championship game?

1996 in St. Louis 37-26. John Mackovic got fired after the next season and was replaced by Mack Brown.

 

[Eric15]

When was it that a sucky Texas team beat a heavily favored Nebraska team in the Big XII championship game?

1996.

 

[OrangePA]

Not a big deal, unless some TV exec realizes that this championship game has yet to produce an intriguing matchup or draw any sort of a crowd.

06 -- Wake (2 losses) vs. Ga. Tech (2 losses) play to a 9-6 Deacons win ... that no one cared about. Wake ends up with 3 losses, Ga Tech with 5.

07 -- VA Tech/BC meet up, both with two losses, each ends up with 3 losses.

08 -- 8-4 va tech meets 9-3 BC (attendance 27K). BC ends up with 5 losses, VA TEch with 4

09 -- Ga tech (10-2) meets clemson (8-4). Tech ends up with 3 losses, with 5

10 -- 10-2 VA Tech meets 9-3 FSU. (highwater attendance mark at 72K) FSU ends up with 4 losses, Tech with 3.

11 -- 10-3 clemson meets 11-2 VA Tech in by far the best matchup. Clemson ends up with 4 losses, TEch with 3.

So, I guess my point would be that the ACC hasn't really produced more than one truly intriguing title game matchup in 7 years. That's not great.

See Pac-12 Championship Game- 2011.

Focusing on a given year is probably meaningless.

 

[billsin01]

See Pac-12 Championship Game- 2011.

Focusing on a given year is probably meaningless.

I'm not sure I get your point? Are you in agreement that a trend of boring, uninspired matchups is a bad thing? Because I'm not focusing on a given year as much as I'm pointing out that the ACC has very rarely produced an intriguing conference championship game. I would have to think networks would notice that, no? Maybe they don't care.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Not a big deal, unless some TV exec realizes that this championship game has yet to produce an intriguing matchup or draw any sort of a crowd.

06 -- Wake (2 losses) vs. Ga. Tech (2 losses) play to a 9-6 Deacons win ... that no one cared about. Wake ends up with 3 losses, Ga Tech with 5.

07 -- VA Tech/BC meet up, both with two losses, each ends up with 3 losses.

08 -- 8-4 va tech meets 9-3 BC (attendance 27K). BC ends up with 5 losses, VA TEch with 4

09 -- Ga tech (10-2) meets clemson (8-4). Tech ends up with 3 losses, with 5

10 -- 10-2 VA Tech meets 9-3 FSU. (highwater attendance mark at 72K) FSU ends up with 4 losses, Tech with 3.

11 -- 10-3 clemson meets 11-2 VA Tech in by far the best matchup. Clemson ends up with 4 losses, TEch with 3.

So, I guess my point would be that the ACC hasn't really produced more than one truly intriguing title game matchup in 7 years. That's not great.

I thought it proved how BC went to 2,that's 2!!!! ACC Champ games, while SU can't get out of its own way.

 

[Scooch]

The real ACC nightmare scenario is that it folds before we get to join next year.

 

[Btstimpy]

Let's say...

Miami decides to self impose a bowl ban as a means to lessen upcoming NCAA sanctions. ACC has asked them to decide before the conf championship game, and if they do decide to do it, ACC said they will be ineligible for the conf championship.

GT beats UNC and Duke. Good chance.

VT loses to FSU tomorrow. Good chance.

That puts GT in the ACC Championship game (UNC and Miami not eligible. GT has 3 conf losses. VT, Duke, UVA would all have at least 4).

GT loses to UGA. Good chance.

GT goes to the ACC Championship game, and somehow beats FSU (or Clemson). Not so good chance.

GT, at 6-6, goes to the Orange Bowl.

If UNC beats GT, then I think VT goes to Conf Championship game. If they should find a way to win, they go to the Orange Bowl, at 6-6.

Do I have that right? The league will be big fans of FSU or Clemson in that championship game. Especially if the one that wins that side, also beats their in-state SEC rival in the finale.

Florida State and Clemson are the two most talented teams in the ACC this season, and they happen to both be in the Atlantic Division. They are also both in the Top Ten in some polls. This is the first year out of 8 where the imbalance has been this pronounced.

The Coastal Division is a mess with potentially two teams on probation if Miami self imposes making the Championship game an expected lopsided contest. FSU vs Clemson would be the most entertaining game for the fans, but the ACC is set up with Divisions and that's how the Championship Game participants are chosen.

This has happened before in the SEC and the Big XII over the years, and it will happen again. But, FSU still has to play that game and remain focused to get through it. An upset would make the Orange Bowl less exciting. I'm saying FSU because I don't see them losing down the stretch. There is a chance with VT tomorrow night, but it's slim.

You are correct though in that there is no clear leader in the Coastal other than Miami so far. Miami has a tough time usually with Virginia since they've been in the ACC. They play this weekend at UVA. UVA has beaten Miami two straight going into this weekend, and UVA is coming off a blowout win at NC State. We'll see if Miami can get through it.

 

[SmilinBob]

This is why I despise the divisions or pod idea, the 2 best teams are not playing for the championship. Not only that, you get an average team with a shot to go to a major bowl and it seems like an oxymoron to me to not have a playoff because you get judged by your whole season but yet a 7-5 or 6-6 team can go to the Orange. No divisions, do it like basketball and the best two go to the championship.

 

[arbitragegls]

seems what it indicates is somehow the ACC thought FSU and Miami were going to upgrade its Football...NOT...and now 'Cuse and Pitt on way to upgrade its not so bad bball...hope there isnt a similar result...but hey, its a better academic conference...do we score points for business, journalism, law, ......?

 

[sufandu]

This is why I despise the divisions or pod idea, the 2 best teams are not playing for the championship. Not only that, you get an average team with a shot to go to a major bowl and it seems like an oxymoron to me to not have a playoff because you get judged by your whole season but yet a 7-5 or 6-6 team can go to the Orange. No divisions, do it like basketball and the best two go to the championship.

There really is no perfect way. In a large conference without divisions, records wouldn't necessarily reflect the two best teams because of unbalanced schedules. At least with divisions everyone within the division can play everyone else. I wish we could just go back to 8-9 team conferences. It's be better for both football and basketball.