Acc one division

[IHeartSUFball]

On first team today (Sirius 91) said how big 12 commish was saying acc wants waiver to make one division, I know there talk about not before but seems like picking up steam?

 

[SmilinBob]

I had a nice talk with Swofford and heard my points about one divisions and agreed. Then SU won the title and I woke up.

 

[Scooch]

Swofford has to know that with no palatable geographic division set-up to implement like the B1G, SEC and Pac-12 have, lining up 1 to 14, playing a 3-5-5 schedule, and letting the top 2 teams play in the conference championship game is by far the best option.

It makes so much sense...that I assume it'll never happen.

 

[jgeorge322]

Swofford has to know that with no palatable geographic division set-up to implement like the B1G, SEC and Pac-12 have, lining up 1 to 14, playing a 3-5-5 schedule, and letting the top 2 teams play in the conference championship game is by far the best option.

It makes so much sense...that I assume it'll never happen.

is the 3-5-5, meaning same 3 every year, and then rotate the 5 year by year? thatd be nice to play everyone at most every other year.

 

[SU2NASA]

It makes FAR too much sense.

So under the 3-5 it would be BC, Pitt, and ??? would be the every-year teams? If that would be the case, then please Miami.

 

[Chris02M]

1 of pit, lou .then bc and miami wouldbe ideal

 

[Alsacs]

It makes FAR too much sense.

So under the 3-5 it would be BC, Pitt, and ??? would be the every-year teams? If that would be the case, then please Miami.

Most likely Louisville. I would love Miami though.

These schools would have 3 easy
North Carolina- Virginia, Duke, NC State
Duke- Wake Forest, North Carolina, Georgia Tech
NC State- Wake Forest, North Carolina, Clemson
Clemson- Georgia Tech, NC State, Florida State
Florida State- Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech- Clemson, Florida State, Duke

These schools would have 2 easy
Virginia- North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Miami- Florida State, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech- Miami, Virginia
Wake Forest- NC State, Duke
Syracuse- Boston College, Pittsburgh
Boston College- Syracuse, Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh- Boston College, Syracuse

Louisville- has none for sure

I would make Wake-Boston Colllege, Virginia-Louisville, Pittsburgh-Virginia Tech, Syracuse-Miami

 

[phil77]

I really want to play Louisville every year in Football. I want that to become our biggest rival in the ACC. It could become a great rivalry in both football and basketball.

ACC Rivalry Week

Duke versus North Carolina
Syracuse versus Louisville

 

[chakka3421]

I really want to play Louisville every year in Football. I want that to become our biggest rival in the ACC. It could become a great rivalry in both football and basketball.

ACC Rivalry Week

Duke versus North Carolina
Syracuse versus Louisville

Never happen - Louisville's biggest rival is and always will be Kentucky - they will never ever see or even remotely think of us as a rival. Pitt & WV should also play that last week again to restart the backyard brawl as they were once bitter rivals - I think that was the message to the B12 this past year - increase your SOS.

But if we ever go to a 3-5-5 schedule, then I most likely see our quad being BC-Pitt-Louisville and not Miami due to excess travel for them.

BC has been set for the next decade by both Universities as our last game of season so it's going to be BC-SU - my only hope is that they become as irritating as the girls from Jersey. What we need is a common Trophy to be displayed and given to the winner between the schools to start the process like we had between us and WV.

 

[Alsacs]

Never happen - Louisville's biggest rival is and always will be Kentucky - they will never ever see or even remotely think of us as a rival. Pitt & WV should also play that last week again to restart the backyard brawl as they were once bitter rivals - I think that was the message to the B12 this past year - increase your SOS.

But if we ever go to a 3-5-5 schedule, then I most likely see our quad being BC-Pitt-Louisville and not Miami due to excess travel for them.

BC has been set for the next decade by both Universities as our last game of season so it's going to be BC-SU - my only hope is that they become as irritating as the girls from Jersey. What we need is a common Trophy to be displayed and given to the winner between the schools to start the process like we had between us and WV.

Easy name the trophy the Coughlin Cup.
Tom Coughlin played FB at SU, and was the head coach at BC. He is loved by both fanbases and he loves both schools. Boom easy trophy game.

 

[Toga]

Triple like

Most likely Louisville. I would love Miami though.

These schools would have 3 easy
North Carolina- Virginia, Duke, NC State
Duke- Wake Forest, North Carolina, Georgia Tech
NC State- Wake Forest, North Carolina, Clemson
Clemson- Georgia Tech, NC State, Florida State
Florida State- Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech- Clemson, Florida State, Duke

These schools would have 2 easy
Virginia- North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Miami- Florida State, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech- Miami, Virginia
Wake Forest- NC State, Duke
Syracuse- Boston College, Pittsburgh
Boston College- Syracuse, Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh- Boston College, Syracuse

Louisville- has none for sure

I would make Wake-Boston Colllege, Virginia-Louisville, Pittsburgh-Virginia Tech, Syracuse-Miami

 

[raf4488]

Andy Staples explicitly mentioned in a column this week that the ACC definitely wants to ditch divisions and seed the top 2 for the conference title game.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/12/09/big-12-college-football-playoff-future-options

He talks about how the 12 team, 2 division rule is completely arbitrary - so the ACC should get what it wants unless the other conferences block it simply because they can.

With 2 power conferences pushing for the abolition of this rule, I have to think it happens. Great news for those of us who want more trips to Chapel Hill, Blacksburg, Miami, etc.

 

[Alsacs]

Andy Staples explicitly mentioned in a column this week that the ACC definitely wants to ditch divisions and seed the top 2 for the conference title game.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/12/09/big-12-college-football-playoff-future-options

He talks about how the 12 team, 2 division rule is completely arbitrary - so the ACC should get what it wants unless the other conferences block it simply because they can.

With 2 power conferences pushing for the abolition of this rule, I have to think it happens. Great news for those of us who want more trips to Chapel Hill, Blacksburg, Miami, etc.

The 3+5+5 plan could easily be sold to the Big Ten(which has hundreds of trophy games) and SEC as well.

The Pac-12 model is fine because they only have 12 teams and play 9 conference games. The Big XII should not be allowed to have a title game at 10. The other 4 P5 conferences need them to realize you need 12 teams.

If the 3+5+5 model is used every team plays home/home with conference members every 4 years like the old 6+2 model in 12 team conferences accomplished.

 

[Scooch]

My biggest gripe with the current ACC divisional setup, which is compounded by our 8 game conference schedule, is that we play 6/13ths of the league once every SIX years. NFL teams never go more than 4 years playing every team in the entire league, but we go 50% longer playing teams in our own conference. It's utterly asinine.

I'd love SU to be playing BC, Pitt and Miami every year. LOVE. But if it was someone else other than Miami that's cool, as long as its not Wake. Anyone else but Wake.

 

[chakka3421]

So my question - does a 3-5-5 give us a better chance to someday make it to the title game?

If so, then I would prefer an 8 team playoff so the each P5 conference winner gets into the playoff with an auto bid.

 

[Alsacs]

So my question - does a 3-5-5 give us a better chance to someday make it to the title game?

If so, then I would prefer an 8 team playoff so the each P5 conference winner gets into the playoff with an auto bid.

Honestly, it gives us a better chance. Right now we are in the same division as the 1000lb gorilla Florida State. If we were in the Coastal we could make the title game a lot easier.
With the 3+5+5 we lose FSU as an annual opponent we still likely need to be 8-0, 7-1, 6-2 at worst to be eligible for the CCG. Our annual opponents wouldn't be the strongest teams so we could get in more frequently, but we would also get Clemson-Florida State playing x2 some years as well.

 

[KaiserUEO]

My biggest gripe with the current ACC divisional setup, which is compounded by our 8 game conference schedule, is that we play 6/13ths of the league once every SIX years. NFL teams never go more than 4 years playing every team in the entire league, but we go 50% longer playing teams in our own conference. It's utterly asinine.

I'd love SU to be playing BC, Pitt and Miami every year. LOVE. But if it was someone else other than Miami that's cool, as long as its not Wake. Anyone else but Wake.

fine take away our only guaranteed conf win.

just rip it away...

 

[ImperialOrange]

Can we please play Va Tech and Miami again semi-regularly? Aside from that I don't care. They can put us in a pod with Wake, we need all the W's we can get.

 

[Scooch]

fine take away our only guaranteed conf win.

just rip it away...

That was SUPPOSED to be BC.

Friggin' Shafer.

 

[Chip]

fine take away our only guaranteed conf win.

just rip it away...

I'm not putting it in the guaranteed column next year. This year was their rebuilding year on offense, they'll be better next year. We're going to start rebuilding ours now. In Year 3...of our head coach.

 

[chakka3421]

Easy name the trophy the Coughlin Cup.
Tom Coughlin played FB at SU, and was the head coach at BC. He is loved by both fanbases and he loves both schools. Boom easy trophy game.

I didn't know that - the 2 Universities should, in honor of Tom C, have started this already. You could get a lot of Marketing out of it every year - oops, we all know how great SU is at Marketing.

Honestly having trophy games like this also place more significance on the game itself, especially when they become important and perhaps determine who ends up in the conference championships. The talking heads at ESPN would advertise it as the "Coughlin Cup" game between SU and BC and not just a game at the end of the season played between 2 ACC opponents. Associating Tom C with SU (and BC) only helps SUs status as a football school.

Honestly Alsacs, someone should really get both universities together to talk about it. CTO & TomCat - a little help here please (I'm asking nicely CTO)?

 

[Hoo's That]

Most likely Louisville. I would love Miami though.

These schools would have 3 easy
North Carolina- Virginia, Duke, NC State
Duke- Wake Forest, North Carolina, Georgia Tech
NC State- Wake Forest, North Carolina, Clemson
Clemson- Georgia Tech, NC State, Florida State
Florida State- Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech- Clemson, Florida State, Duke

These schools would have 2 easy
Virginia- North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Miami- Florida State, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech- Miami, Virginia
Wake Forest- NC State, Duke
Syracuse- Boston College, Pittsburgh
Boston College- Syracuse, Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh- Boston College, Syracuse

Louisville- has none for sure

I would make Wake-Boston Colllege, Virginia-Louisville, Pittsburgh-Virginia Tech, Syracuse-Miami

I think Louisville will be Pitt's schedule partner (semi-close, connected by the Ohio River, permanent bball H&H, etc.) so that most folks will have either of those two on their schedule, just like you and BC, $U and Miami are schedule partners. On their board they seem to want to play VPI, and they have been recruiting heavily in Florida so they want to have Miami as the third. If you folks get Miami instead for your third team, that leaves some combination of UVa, BC, Wake, and Louisville to be matched up. If you don't get Miami and they do, then you'll be our third and BC will be Wake's.

 

[Chip]

The only thing I think might happen that will disrupt 3-5-5 is that all P5 conferences are probably going to standardize that which can be easily standardized. i.e. it's not easy to just tell everyone to be at 14 teams. But it is easy to require a 9 game schedule. It just seems like as the playoff committee practices evolve, playing fields will be leveled. Started with the requirement to play 1 other P5 OOC. Then it will be same # of conference games, as well as conf championship game.

You can still have the 3 portion of 3-5-5. Or move it to 4. But the other two numbers will mean a bit more complexity for the conference schedules. Plus the ND thing is still there.

Get ND to join full time as soon as they realize this playoff system will spurn them as easily as anyone else, then you can create three 5 team pods. You have your 4 annual teams, you play one of the two remaining pods one year, the other one the next year. Nice little math equation.

Just say No to a 16th if ND ever joins full time. Unless it's someone like WVU. No UConn, no other program building.

 

[Alsacs]

I think Louisville will be Pitt's schedule partner (semi-close, connected by the Ohio River, permanent bball H&H, etc.) so that most folks will have either of those two on their schedule, just like you and BC, $U and Miami are schedule partners. On their board they seem to want to play VPI, and they have been recruiting heavily in Florida so they want to have Miami as the third. If you folks get Miami instead for your third team, that leaves some combination of UVa, BC, Wake, and Louisville to be matched up. If you don't get Miami and they do, then you'll be our third and BC will be Wake's.

I see it playing out one of four ways.
Option 1
Louisville getting Pitt,VPI,UM
BC-Wake
SU-UVA
Option 2
Louisville getting Pitt, Wake,SU
BC-VPI
UM-UVA
Option 3
Louisville getting Pitt, UVA,VPI
BC-Wake
SU-UM
Option 4
Louisville getting Pitt,Wake,VPI
BC-UVA
SU-UM

Syracuse fans would like three or four but none of them are honestly bad.

 

[Chris02M]

Lousville should get pitt and one of the Virginia schools for sure