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[Hoo's That]

Hey Hoos -- on a completely unrelated note, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the recent full capitulation from Rolling Stone. In light of that girl's story being largely debunked, what is the mood on campus / around the school? Any insight?

Here's what I said in the Syracusefan off-topic thread, "The one thing that posters can agree to on our board is that something happened to her. We don't and probably won't ever know what it was with any degree of certainty. It's becoming more apparent each passing day that what was described in the article didn't happen where and when she said it happened. I don't question her motives. I hope she finds a good resolution."

Virtually everyone, regardless of sex is outraged by the article. The fact that RS is getting into a increasingly precarious legal position with each passing second makes it a little less bad. A new thread about it is started on the off-topic board of The Sabre.com in what seems like about every 5 minutes.

One poster said a lawyer friend of his said that Phi Psi could eventually own RS. While I don't know if that will happen, I am sure the "Undisclosed Sum" of the eventual settlement will be quite, quite large.

 

[omniorange]

then you do an NFL 3-5 (1) to get to 9.

of the 5 teams you didnt play from the other group...you play the one with similar record.

my lord does it all make so much sense that it will never happen.

Or you don't wait on ND, add a 15th school who wants to play football fully as well as all other sports (like say WVU?) and then have a 4+5+5 model.

But the 9 conference games would likely have to be forced on the ACC from the outside as Chip indicated, since along with the ND scheduling agreement, FSU, Clemson, and GT have their set SEC end of the year rivalries which helped squashed going to 9 games the first time through. Of course going to 13 regular season games would re-open this for discussion.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Chip]

Or you don't wait on ND, add a 15th school who wants to play football fully as well as all other sports (like say WVU?) and then have a 4+5+5 model.

But the 9 conference games would likely have to be forced on the ACC from the outside as Chip indicated, since along with the ND scheduling agreement, FSU, Clemson, and GT have their set SEC end of the year rivalries which helped squashed going to 9 games the first time through. Of course going to 13 regular season games would re-open this for discussion.

Cheers,
Neil

Yes to WVU. No to UConn. I can't emphasize that enough.

So right now, the Big X(II) and the Pac-12 each play 9 conf games. B1G starts playing 9 conf games in 2016. From what I've heard (on sports radio only), the SECN is going to push for a 9 game conf schedule to help with inventory, specifically in November.

If the other 4 are doing it, how does the ACC avoid it? ND helps, but they only show up on less than half the league's schedule in any given year.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Swofford has to know that with no palatable geographic division set-up to implement like the B1G, SEC and Pac-12 have, lining up 1 to 14, playing a 3-5-5 schedule, and letting the top 2 teams play in the conference championship game is by far the best option.

It makes so much sense...that I assume it'll never happen.

You think we need one more:

 

[omniorange]

Yes to WVU. No to UConn. I can't emphasize that enough.

So right now, the Big X(II) and the Pac-12 each play 9 conf games. B1G starts playing 9 conf games in 2016. From what I've heard (on sports radio only), the SECN is going to push for a 9 game conf schedule to help with inventory, specifically in November.

If the other 4 are doing it, how does the ACC avoid it? ND helps, but they only show up on less than half the league's schedule in any given year.

If the SEC does indeed go to 9, that would pretty much force the ACC to as well, without the 9 game schedule being mandated, per se.

As long as the SEC remains at 8 though, I don't see the ACC changing.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Lou_C]

Here's what I said in the Syracusefan off-topic thread, "The one thing that posters can agree to on our board is that something happened to her. We don't and probably won't ever know what it was with any degree of certainty. It's becoming more apparent each passing day that what was described in the article didn't happen where and when she said it happened. I don't question her motives. I hope she finds a good resolution."

Virtually everyone, regardless of s e x is outraged by the article. The fact that RS is getting into a increasingly precarious legal position with each passing second makes it a little less bad. A new thread about it is started on the off-topic board of The Sabre.com in what seems like about every 5 minutes.

One poster said a lawyer friend of his said that Phi Psi could eventually own RS. While I don't know if that will happen, I am sure the "Undisclosed Sum" of the eventual settlement will be quite, quite large.

Tragic thing all around, as someone with sons and daughters. Do I want more to protect my daughters? ABSOLUTELY. Is it scary to me as the father of a son as well? HELL YES. (read this: http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...ult_is_a_serious_problem_but_the_efforts.html).

By focusing on the most sensational cases without regard to the actual evidence (I can think of another...) over the most airtight and truly outrageous cases, they media has actually weakened the cause of encouraging women to report, and increased the likelihood that they will be disbelieved. It's horrible horrible horrible. No winners.

Bottom line is, the only way to protect your kids is to try to get them to understand that many of the normal activities considered part of the college social experience can have devastating consequences.

 

[Lou_C]

Anyway, back on topic...the selection committee results actually inform this non-divisional question quite strongly. All the conference champions were fortunate this year to have highly ranked opponents. But look at how many lowly rated teams have appeared in championship games, ACC and otherwise over the years. It may not have mattered with FSU undefeated (but it very well may HAVE mattered), but if FSU was facing an 8-4 unranked Duke or 25th ranked GT in that game, and won a close game, we might have had trouble.

I think it's going to be relatively important that the conference championship game features ranked opponents, preferably ranked high enough so a loss doesn't knock them out of the final top 25. A divisionless system, pitting the two best (and hopefully highest ranked, although no guarantees with our OOC SEC games to finish the season), gives the best chance of a credible CCG win.

 

[riskylogic]

Anyway, back on topic...the selection committee results actually inform this non-divisional question quite strongly. All the conference champions were fortunate this year to have highly ranked opponents. But look at how many lowly rated teams have appeared in championship games, ACC and otherwise over the years. It may not have mattered with FSU undefeated (but it very well may HAVE mattered), but if FSU was facing an 8-4 unranked Duke or 25th ranked GT in that game, and won a close game, we might have had trouble.

I think it's going to be relatively important that the conference championship game features ranked opponents, preferably ranked high enough so a loss doesn't knock them out of the final top 25. A divisionless system, pitting the two best (and hopefully highest ranked, although no guarantees with our OOC SEC games to finish the season), gives the best chance of a credible CCG win.

Seems like it would be much more straightforward to get rid of the CCGs in favor of an 8 or even 16 team playoff.

 

[Chris02M]

as much as id like to play Miami or Virginia or Virginia tech annually if they go to 3-5-5 I think were getting pitt,bc and Louisville. Pitt gets Miami because I don't think they want to adjust the last week of games.

 

[SmilinBob]

The NCAA hierachy in India-noplace has nothing to do with this; it will be decided soley by the FBS schools. It's supposed to be voted on at the next NCAA convention, IIRC, which should be before the present school year ends. If the resolution is approved then, there's a more-than-good chance it will be used for the 2016 schedules.

Folks, please remember the rule was designed primarily for one of the D-3 conferences to select their champion for the NCAA football playoffs because it had grown to 12 teams, making a round-robin schedule impossible. It was never anticipated by India-noplace that any D-1 conference, let alone the SEC, would take advantage of this rule. The NCAA president at the time readily said so in interviews.

Thanks. I still don't understand since the ACC already has a CCG that they can't simply go to the top two teams in one division, especially since they already had 12 teams and now 14. Just seems like more NCAA double talk to increase their own self worth.

Can't the ACC just go to one division once it is passed? Just use 2015 as part of the rotation.

 

[Lou_C]

Seems like it would be much more straightforward to get rid of the CCGs in favor of an 8 or even 16 team playoff.

Well, I'm 100% opposed to expanding the playoff, so that doesn't work for me. I don't think schools like Michigan State or Mississippi State or Arizona proved themselves worthy of playing in the playoff. I think keeping the regular season intense is paramount. I feel bad for TCU and Baylor, but it's a good thing that 1-loss teams got left out. It's important that any given game has the possibility knock you out of the playoffs.

In my opinion.

 

[Hoo's That]

Thanks. I still don't understand since the ACC already has a CCG that they can't simply go to the top two teams in one division, especially since they already had 12 teams and now 14. Just seems like more NCAA double talk to increase their own self worth.

Can't the ACC just go to one division once it is passed? Just use 2015 as part of the rotation.

Until the rule is changed, the two division winners have to play because that's the way it reads right now. I think there would be more "wailing and gnashing of teeth" from within the conference than from India-noplace (who would be really pi$$ed) if it was tried unilaterally.

They could take the two teams with the best in-conference records ignoring the divisions for the 2015 ACCCG once the change is passed. There's been a lot of talk that $U wants GIT as its third team and I don't think they're scheduled to play in 2015. The true 3-5-5 would probably have to wait for 2016 unless it passes early enough in the year to change everyone's schedules in time.

 

[TBCuse11]

Can we please play Va Tech and Miami again semi-regularly? Aside from that I don't care. They can put us in a pod with Wake, we need all the W's we can get.

yeah, i prefer Va Tech over Miami to be honest. I get that recruiting and visibility aspect of being in Florida, but Va Tech is my vote for 3rd team.

 

[TBCuse11]

Well, I'm 100% opposed to expanding the playoff, so that doesn't work for me. I don't think schools like Michigan State or Mississippi State or Arizona proved themselves worthy of playing in the playoff. I think keeping the regular season intense is paramount. I feel bad for TCU and Baylor, but it's a good thing that 1-loss teams got left out. It's important that any given game has the possibility knock you out of the playoffs.

In my opinion.

i am fine with 4 teams also, but they probably should have just let the BCS formula dfetermine the top 4. In all reality, anyone who watches the games can clearly see that FSU is not one of the best 4 teams this year. Its not close. SO if u have a committee, they should have had the balls to put Baylor or TCU in. Both would handle FSU easily.

Oregon is going to dismantle them.

 

[Ottoble]

Could this hurt recruiting for the ACC as a whole? Fifth in the Atlantic division sounds a bit better than 12th in the ACC for the bottom teams. I think the Atlantic div schedule relief would probably help us.

 

[Chris02M]

Could this hurt recruiting for the ACC as a whole? Fifth in the Atlantic division sounds a bit better than 12th in the ACC for the bottom teams. I think the Atlantic div schedule relief would probably help us.

no one being recruited really looks at standings when picking a school its basically champion vs chasers

 

[SmilinBob]

Well, I'm 100% opposed to expanding the playoff, so that doesn't work for me. I don't think schools like Michigan State or Mississippi State or Arizona proved themselves worthy of playing in the playoff. I think keeping the regular season intense is paramount. I feel bad for TCU and Baylor, but it's a good thing that 1-loss teams got left out. It's important that any given game has the possibility knock you out of the playoffs.

In my opinion.

That's interesting Lou because if FSU lost 1 game they would have been on the outside looking in this year. I have no interest in letting the elders pick the 4 teams.