ACC takes spot on Big Monday

[itsbotime]

Disagree.

When you swap in Louisville for Maryland, you have 4 of, arguably, the top 10 programs in all of college basketball.

When did the Big East have that?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the ACC is better going away, but IMO lining up the top 8 programs of each conference gives you this:

ACC: Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame, NC State, Virginia > BIG EAST: Syracuse, Louisville, UConn, Pitt, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Villanova, Marquette

Or, to make it easier, eliminate 'Cuse, Louisville, Pitt, & Notre Dame (as they're simply switching sides) and look at the top 4 remaining programs and compare them historically.

Duke > UConn
UNC > Georgetown
NC State = Nova
Virginia = Marquette

Then if you consider that the next few teams in the ACC would be Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, & Wake Forest, the depth of the ACC compares quite well to the Big East whose 9-12 would probably be: WVU, Cincy, St. Johns, and Providence.

And the 13-16 programs of the Big East (Seton Hall, Rutgers, DePaul & USF) are decidedly worse than the bottom three programs of the ACC (Boston College, VTech & Clemson)

If you are looking at national titles alone, the pecking order in the new ACC is UNC, Duke, NC State, Louisville, Cuse. Of course, some schools like NC State have largely been irrelevant for the past couple of decades while a school like Syracuse has been very successful over the same time period, so you have to factor that in as well.

 

[Knicks411]

Just from what I think of the teams, my pecking order would go Duke first, then UNC/SU/Lville in a group together. Probably Lville second.

I'm no fan of Duke, but they are basically great every single year. Carolina is Carolina, they have the 2 titles in 05 and 09 and the final four in 08 I think it was, but they have also had some down years, so I have to put them a little below Duke, who has a bad year when they are a 3 seed.

Of course there is also the caveat here that all 4 of those teams have oldish coaches...

 

[itsbotime]

Doesn't make much sense to me but you are entitled to your opinion. Carolina has had a couple down years, but they also have 5 national titles (and two within the past 10 years). Look at Duke's NCAA tournament performance since 2000 and you'll see that they have a tendency to get knocked out early as well. Duke is typically great in the regular season, but at least recently consistently gets knocked out in the Sweet 16 or earlier (2010 being a notable exception).

 

[Knicks411]

Well you're a Carolina fan, right?

Carolina is a great program. So is Duke. If I'm picking one to be more successful over the next 3-5 years, I'm taking Duke. They've been consistently great for what, the past 3 decades really? Carolina is awesome, but they missed the tournament a few years ago, were an 8 seed last year. When you're talking about 2 elite programs, stuff like that matters to me.

 

[itsbotime]

Well you're a Carolina fan, right?

Carolina is a great program. So is Duke. If I'm picking one to be more successful over the next 3-5 years, I'm taking Duke. They've been consistently great for what, the past 3 decades really? Carolina is awesome, but they missed the tournament a few years ago, were an 8 seed last year. When you're talking about 2 elite programs, stuff like that matters to me.

Look at the last 10 years. Duke has advanced past the Sweet 16 three times. In the same time period, even including the one year where we missed the NCAAT, UNC has advanced past the Sweet 16 six times. The numbers don't agree with your argument.

 

[Knicks411]

Look at the last 10 years. Duke has advanced past the Sweet 16 three times. In the same time period, even including the one year where we missed the NCAAT, UNC has advanced past the Sweet 16 six times. The numbers don't agree with your argument.

That number doesn't. That's just one stat.

I admit I don't have a complicated formula or anything. I think Duke has been a tad better as a program than Carolina over the recentish past, because they don't have any down years, and I think Duke will probably be better over the next 3-5 years or whatever.

Here's another stat, in the last 17 years Duke has #1 seed 10 times, and a 2 seed 5 times.

Whatever, I hope i don't get dragged into a big thign about this. Carolina and Duke are both elite.

 

[Antiprodigy]

This is Big 12 basketball:


Kansas

 

[AlaskaSU]

Is NCU out of the woods with the NCAA? Bad stuff is still leaking out. If they get sanctioned they will fall back into the pack, at least for a while.

 

[itsbotime]

Is NCU out of the woods with the NCAA? Bad stuff is still leaking out. If they get sanctioned they will fall back into the pack, at least for a while.

Yes, UNC has been out of the woods as far as the academic scandal goes for over a year now.