Well, I suppose it's a good thing that your prediction means as much as mine does.
ACC v. B12 contracts
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ESPN paid more then the BIG 12 is worth, to keep it together in order to move TCU and West Virginia out of the Big East. People are using the rational of paying more for new teams, ESPN already overpayed and now will balance things out if new teams added. I'm sure thats why Texas wants to stay at 10 teams, ESPN and Texas have a contract, and Texas needs espn for the LHN. That 20 years 15 million LHN funded by ESPN, must have terms whereby ESPN has rights tied up, and close relationship with Texas Officials, to preclude Destruction of Essential ESPN properties.
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You get it! The Big 12 already benefitted from ESPN's rescue of the LHN. If there was going to be some massive cash infusion it would have come while mizzou and ATM were still in the conference.
And cusenole9 my prediction might be of the same value as yours but at least they are backed up by things we can see in the light of day. Your arguments depend on info from people named "the dude" and FSU losing yearly to wake forest does not equal a positive trend...just saying.
What are you talking about? You're responding to arguments that I'm not making. I said that I think adding FSU will give the TV contract a SMALL bump, something that more people would agree with than wouldn't. What prediction have you even made, that FSU will be mediocre in the future if they go to the big12? Oh yeah, that is certainly backed up with cold hard facts... read this. It's from an ACC blogger and he STILL says that FSU will make more TV money in the Big12 than the ACC. And you don't think adding a ccg adds revenue? Though, again, I have said that this isn't the major issue, playoff and bowl money is. And nice cheap shot with calling out FSU's recent football performance..even as an SU alum I can see how ridiculous this is coming from a Syracuse fan.
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The difference of B12 $ minus increased travel costs (which I believe FSU is estimating at $5 million a year) won't be enough to make FSU jump IMO. We are talking maybe a $5 million net, if that, a year. The CCG would maybe get each school and extra $1 million a year. Not significant.
Their decision IMO will all come down to playoff money. Currently under the BCS system the total money is about $150 million. The six major conferences get about $20 million and the other five get about $4 million. So the big boys control 80% of the money. The question is what happens with the new system? The money involved is supposed to be 4x as much. The simple thing would be to increase everyone by that factor and bump the Big East down to the non majors. That would result in $16 million for those six conferences. Five would see their yearly take home increase by $12 million, while the Big East would go down by $4 million. The big five would be getting $80 million, which is a $60 million increase. That still leaves $100 million unaccounted for, which you can award to the 4 playoff teams ($25 million each). Wouldn't everyone be happy with this system financially? Only the Big East would be worse off. The six non major conferences would have a shot at an extra $25 million as well. It wouldn't be likely but still possible (see Cincy a few years ago). The SEC would have a shot if not enough conf champs qualify at getting $130 million in a given year.
IMO most years you would likely see:
$105 million SEC, B12, P12, B1G
$80 million ACC
$16 million BE, CUSA, MAC, MWC, Sunbelt, WAC
In this case FSU would be getting $5.33 million in the ACC. In the B12 they would get $8.08 million.
I've agreed with you all along aside from the nitpicking of negligible details which somehow turned into a pointless unfocused argument with suato. I agree with everything you have written above.
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I have read a few times that the ACC has an option for a potential ACCN with ESPN. If that is true then that would add a lot of value.
IMO the ACC should offer the following to ND and Texas. An ACCN will be created which is estimated to make X amount of $. I am guessing that the amount will be quite large with the brands and markets that the ACC has. That will be a national network. Then a regional network will be allowed for each school to control all revenue on their own. I believe the BTN is looking into this model as a BTN2. This would go against the ACC's all for one model, but it is a small concession. So Texas would have the LHN. ND would have its own network. The other schools would likely need to come together as they cannot sustain their own networks. So ACCN South would be owned by FSU, Miami, GA Tech, and Clemson. ACCN Carolina would be owned by UNC, Duke, NC St, and Wake. ACCN Mid-Atlantic would be owned by VT, UVA, MD, and Pitt. And ACCN Northeast would be owned by ND, BC, and SU. For the regional networks the schools can determine % of payouts. It could be even or it could be something like FSU 28% and 24% each for Miami, GA Tech, and Clemson.
For a higher share in ACCN NE, SU would agree to play its home games against ND in MetLife. This gives ND a game in NYC every other year. As to the rest of ND's schedule their would be pods for FB and BBall like so:
Texas, ND, Pitt, BC
VT, UVA, MD, SU
Clemson, UNC, NC St, Duke
FSU, Miami, GA Tech, Wake
So for ND they would have the following every year:
Texas, Pitt, BC, SU, UNC, GA Tech with three more games that rotate. That means that ND plays five of six years in NC, every other year in NYC, Pittsburgh, Boston, Atlanta, and Texas. Once in three years in VA and Fla. Once in six years in SC and MD. Then add in OOC games vs USC (LA) and Navy (SD) and they can play every other year in California as well. That leaves one OOC slot in which they can schedule Michigan. So ND would have 6 home games and one road game every other year in the Midwest. ND would have to give up on Stanford, Purdue, and Mich St but long term it makes more sense. It would truly be a national schedule and keep ND relevant.
Texas would have a pod that is easy for travel as BC and Pitt are easy airports to fly into. Plus they get to be with ND which is what they really want. The pods are relatively even for both FB and BBall and keep most rivalries.
This conference would easily be the best in BBall and maybe even the best in Olympic as well. FB would be a clear #2 behind the SEC. Academically the ACC would be #1 as well. Financially it may be #1 as well.
IMO the ACC should offer the following to ND and Texas. An ACCN will be created which is estimated to make X amount of $. I am guessing that the amount will be quite large with the brands and markets that the ACC has. That will be a national network. Then a regional network will be allowed for each school to control all revenue on their own. I believe the BTN is looking into this model as a BTN2. This would go against the ACC's all for one model, but it is a small concession. So Texas would have the LHN. ND would have its own network. The other schools would likely need to come together as they cannot sustain their own networks. So ACCN South would be owned by FSU, Miami, GA Tech, and Clemson. ACCN Carolina would be owned by UNC, Duke, NC St, and Wake. ACCN Mid-Atlantic would be owned by VT, UVA, MD, and Pitt. And ACCN Northeast would be owned by ND, BC, and SU. For the regional networks the schools can determine % of payouts. It could be even or it could be something like FSU 28% and 24% each for Miami, GA Tech, and Clemson.
For a higher share in ACCN NE, SU would agree to play its home games against ND in MetLife. This gives ND a game in NYC every other year. As to the rest of ND's schedule their would be pods for FB and BBall like so:
Texas, ND, Pitt, BC
VT, UVA, MD, SU
Clemson, UNC, NC St, Duke
FSU, Miami, GA Tech, Wake
So for ND they would have the following every year:
Texas, Pitt, BC, SU, UNC, GA Tech with three more games that rotate. That means that ND plays five of six years in NC, every other year in NYC, Pittsburgh, Boston, Atlanta, and Texas. Once in three years in VA and Fla. Once in six years in SC and MD. Then add in OOC games vs USC (LA) and Navy (SD) and they can play every other year in California as well. That leaves one OOC slot in which they can schedule Michigan. So ND would have 6 home games and one road game every other year in the Midwest. ND would have to give up on Stanford, Purdue, and Mich St but long term it makes more sense. It would truly be a national schedule and keep ND relevant.
Texas would have a pod that is easy for travel as BC and Pitt are easy airports to fly into. Plus they get to be with ND which is what they really want. The pods are relatively even for both FB and BBall and keep most rivalries.
This conference would easily be the best in BBall and maybe even the best in Olympic as well. FB would be a clear #2 behind the SEC. Academically the ACC would be #1 as well. Financially it may be #1 as well.
