After watching last night's game, can see how anyone can call any future game a gimme

[orangepassion]

Nobody said they were gimmes or locks. Good lord.

You don't need to call me good lord. Orangepassion is fine.

 

[Townie72]

Matter of fact I started om the very early 60's. Unless there are people I don't know about here, I dare say I may have been to more SU football games in person over those 50 years than anyone here. So yea, I know where we have been and the ups and downs along the way.


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Let me ask you this.

When things started to go South under Pasqualoni (like at VA Tech or at Rutgers) did you get the sense that we were close to slipping back to the "bad old days of the 1970's? Like a shark, you have to keep moving or you die.

 

[RF2044]

Make that can't see (hate that I can't edit thread title). So much for Pitt being a gimme. People forget we even stayed close to some good teams under G-Rob. There's a difference between hanging in and imposing your will and getting victories. We can win or lose every remaining game on the schedule. The best thing we have going for us is Pugh coming back.

You mean we actually have to PLAY the games?

 

[MSOrange]

You mean we actually have to PLAY the games?

Actually no we don't. We're cancelling the rest of the season and determining results based on a poll of syracusefan..com!

 

[GoSU96]

No doubt. But that is when we can say it is fully turned.

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Nah, I'll call it now.

 

[dasher]

Wins are a lagging indicator.

And i thought you were going to post just resign now. Our best defense yesterday was that they dropped passes. That isn't the same thing as playing good defense. When we start beating d-1 teams, we will have turned the cornor. Everything else is just spin.

 

[br801]

I guess I missed those positive posters in the tidal wave of negativity I read in the game thread and other posts asking if HCDM was on the "hot seat" yet and if we'd ever be favored in another game, etc., etc.

The game thread for football and the chat room for basketball games are typically overrun by vitriol and negativity, even in victory. In addition to the usual lunatics that show up, I've seen otherwise intelligent and rational posters make some pretty outrageous statements there. For the sake of my blood pressure, I've found it's best to stay away.

 

[rrlbees]

Let me ask you this.

When things started to go South under Pasqualoni (like at VA Tech or at Rutgers) did you get the sense that we were close to slipping back to the "bad old days of the 1970's? Like a shark, you have to keep moving or you die.

No I did not, nor did I envision the Grob years.

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[OrangePA]

We have definitely started the turn but the blinker is still on so we haven't straightened the wheel out yet.

How's that for middle of the road? And my response to Townie wasn't about my opinion.

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At least we used the turn signal !

 

[rrlbees]

At least we used the turn signal !

My wife is always on me about that.

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[Townie72]

Wins are a lagging indicator.

You obviously get it.

In 1983, I listened to the SU v. Nebraska game at Nebraska on the radio. I was living in Rochester at the time.

Even though the score wasn't close, we were doing good things. They broke a lot of big plays, but for the majority of the game we were playing them close. It was a far cry from many SU games I'd seen where we just were not competitive.

So when we beat Nebraska in the Dome the next year, I thought back to the 1983 game in which we hung in there.

Start doing things right and wins will come. As you say, "wins are a lagging indicator"

 

[Townie72]

No I did not, nor did I envision the Grob years.

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I attended the massacre at Blacksburg. We weren't close to being competitive even though we were ranked going in there (17th, I think)

By the end of the year, I was in a full-fledged panic. I could feel 1971 coming back. I thought Pasqualoni was completely out of ideas. That may or may not have been true. It may have been an unfortunate chain of events that led to "The Great D1 Quarterback Drought" in which we were unable to suit up a competent QB.

But no one could have foreseen the GRob disaster,

 

[orangenauburn]

You obviously get it.

In 1983, I listened to the SU v. Nebraska game at Nebraska on the radio. I was living in Rochester at the time.

Even though the score wasn't close, we were doing good things. They broke a lot of big plays, but for the majority of the game we were playing them close. It was a far cry from many SU games I'd seen where we just were not competitive.

So when we beat Nebraska in the Dome the next year, I thought back to the 1983 game in which we hung in there.

Start doing things right and wins will come. As you say, "wins are a lagging indicator"

we did a lot right last year (WVU), and we have done a lot right this year (NW / USC) ... we still do a lot wrong

do you feel like we are close?

 

[Townie72]

You missed the fact that those who had said the corner was turned weren't the ones making negative posts.

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You may be right. It may be that all the "positives" stayed positive and none of the "negatoid" were ever positive. But that seems to me to be unlikely.

I guess if I had the patience I could go back and make a list of all those who made positive comments after Northwestern and USC and then see if any of those had switched positions after Stonybrook. Seems like a lot of work, But that would prove the case.

I hate "weasel wording" even though I some times do it. I probably should have phrased it differently. How about, "If you were "on the bandwagon" after the first two games and predicting a disaster after game 3, you are need to get a grip on your emotions."

 

[rrlbees]

You obviously get it

Yea, because nobody else understands that improvement in talent and coaching comes before seeing wins. Pretty basic.

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[rrlbees]

I attended the massacre at Blacksburg. We weren't close to being competitive even though we were ranked going in there (17th, I think)

By the end of the year, I was in a full-fledged panic. I could feel 1971 coming back. I thought Pasqualoni was completely out of ideas. That may or may not have been true. It may have been an unfortunate chain of events that led to "The Great D1 Quarterback Drought" in which we were unable to suit up a competent QB.

But no one could have foreseen the GRob disaster,

If you are talking about the 1995 VT massacre, I was lucky enough to have completely missed that game as I was on my honeymoon cruising around the Caribbean clueless about real life.

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[Townie72]

we did a lot right last year (WVU), and we have done a lot right this year (NW / USC) ... we still do a lot wrong

do you feel like we are close?

Close to what?

We appear to be greatly improved. We are able to have sustained drives using the passing game as an important part of these drives. And we haven't shown that ability to do that since Mcnabb. And we are doing it using a host of contributors.

Whether that will be enough to go 8 -4 or 7 - 5, I don't know. This conference isn't that tough.

 

[OrangePA]

I attended the massacre at Blacksburg. We weren't close to being competitive even though we were ranked going in there (17th, I think)

By the end of the year, I was in a full-fledged panic. I could feel 1971 coming back. I thought Pasqualoni was completely out of ideas. That may or may not have been true. It may have been an unfortunate chain of events that led to "The Great D1 Quarterback Drought" in which we were unable to suit up a competent QB.

But no one could have foreseen the GRob disaster,

Didn't we go 10-3 the next year?

And beat Va Tech and win Insight?

 

[orangenauburn]

close to consistently winning and making bowls

 

[Townie72]

Yea, because nobody else understands that improvement in talent and coaching comes before seeing wins. Pretty basic.

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Well, Bees, it would seem so.

But have you read any posts lately that say "Wins are the only thing that matter" and references to "You are what your record says you are."? I'd say what seems "pretty basic" to some is a foreign concept to others. In every generation there are those who can't see beyond immediate gratification.

 

[Townie72]

Didn't we go 10-3 the next year?

And beat Va Tech and win Insight?

 

[Townie72]

You are right. But take a look at the overall trend from that VT game over the next few years till the end of the P era. Things were headed down.

OrangePA can always be counted on to engage any argument that appears to attack Pasqualoni. He's the SUfan equivalent of the Japanese on those Pacific Islands still fighting after the War was over. Consistency is his strong suit. I have the same problem as a unreconstructed Troy Nunes hater.

 

[Bayside44]

Didn't we go 10-3 the next year?

And beat Va Tech and win Insight?

A massacre in Blacksburg would imply a loss to VT...Was it 1999 where they killed us or 2003?

 

[RF2044]

A massacre in Blacksburg would imply a loss to VT...Was it 1999 where they killed us or 2003?

'99 was 62-0.

Brutal--perhaps my low point as an SU football fan.

 

[OrangePA]

You are right. But take a look at the overall trend from that VT game over the next few years till the end of the P era. Things were headed down.

OrangePA can always be counted on to engage any argument that appears to attack Pasqualoni. He's the SUfan equivalent of the Japanese on those Pacific Islands still fighting after the War was over. Consistency is his strong suit. I have the same problem unreconstructed Troy Nunes hater.[/quot




Sorry.

Once again I didnt bring it up