Another observation from todays game...

[orangeinjersey]

Why does every other team in college throw downfield? Why does every other teams receivers seem to catch the ball and THEN *GASP* run with the ball and make happen.

RU has 3 receivers with good size, why they werent passing the entire game was astonishing to me.

Sitting in the upper deck today at RU stadium I got the coaches box view. EVERYTHING we run is a dink/dunk 5 yard pass. If our guys cant execute those "downfield plays" then don't we have bigger problems don't you think??? There is no threat of any type of vertical game, NONE. Thats a problem where the primary goal of the game is to throw the ball downfield no?

 

[SyracuseAl]

We are an offense built to get into the proverbial "3rd down and manageable" so we can either run or pass for the first down. Our philosophy is ancient. Team these days are routinely going for the big plays because the game has changed drastically in favor of the offense.

 

[kingottoiii]

It is all circular. Our OL blows so we can't give a QB time to throw down the field. Our QB turns into Knoblauch when he has to throw it more than 25 yards. Our WRs are slow and can't get open. So we end with every route being 5 yards, which of course makes things easier on the D as they don't have to cover anything past the 1st down marker. Even on 3rd and 8s we never throw the ball past the marker. It is a joke. The staff is more concern with getting manageable 3rd downs than actually getting first downs. Sorry but a run on 2nd and 8 or a 4 yard pass isn't good enough. We should be AVOIDING 3rd downs not trying to get "manageable" 3rd downs. This is another factor as to why it takes us 20 plays to score every time. We are conservative as hell and afraid to make mistakes. Yet we make a ton of mistakes. Time to get agressive. Can't be any worse.

 

[orangeinjersey]

We are an offense built to get into the proverbial "3rd down and manageable" so we can either run or pass for the first down. Our philosophy is ancient. Team these days are routinely going for the big plays because the game has changed drastically in favor of the offense.

If that is the case, the number 1 requirement for the next coach is that he should NOT run this philosophy. Open this up. 4/5 wide sets, we play n a friggen DOME. This Wisconsin aint working here

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It is all circular. Our OL blows so we can't give a QB time to throw down the field. Our QB turns into Knoblauch when he has to throw it more than 25 yards. Our WRs are slow and can't get open. So we end with every route being 5 yards, which of course makes things easier on the D as they don't have to cover anything past the 1st down marker. Even on 3rd and 8s we never throw the ball past the marker. It is a joke. The staff is more concern with getting manageable 3rd downs than actually getting first downs. Sorry but a run on 2nd and 8 or a 4 yard pass isn't good enough. We should be AVOIDING 3rd downs not trying to get "manageable" 3rd downs. This is another factor as to why it takes us 20 plays to score every time. We are conservative as hell and afraid to make mistakes. Yet we make a ton of mistakes. Time to get agressive. Can't be any worse.

Interestingly enough our offensive philosophy would work better if we played 4 down football instead of 3.

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[Millhouse]

Interestingly enough our offensive philosophy would work better if we played 4 down football instead of 3.

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we don't even always play 3 down football

 

[DomeStranger]

Even the announcer said something like 'sometimes you have to throw deep if you have man on man coverage and just let your talented receiver make the play'.

Bingo. He has plenty of time to wait a couple seconds and chuck one deep. Big East DB's rarely pull off the pick. They are too concerned with making sure the receiver doesn't catch it. They also aren't good at catching deep passes in stride, if they were they'd be playing on the offense. If by chance they make a good pick it's 40 yards (give or take) down field and doesn't hurt as much as it's like a punt. How many long passes can you remember Ryan getting intercepted? Its rare in college, especially Big East.

 

[rrlbees]

Even the announcer said something like 'sometimes you have to throw deep if you have man on man coverage and just let your talented receiver make the play'.

Bingo. He has plenty of time to wait a couple seconds and chuck one deep. Big East DB's rarely pull off the pick. They are too concerned with making sure the receiver doesn't catch it. They also aren't good at catching deep passes in stride, if they were they'd be playing on the offense. If by chance they make a good pick it's 40 yards (give or take) down field and doesn't hurt as much as it's like a punt. How many long passes can you remember Ryan getting intercepted? Its rare in college, especially Big East.

You have to have time to throw deep. We do not.

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[RICuse44]

You have to have time to throw deep. We do not.

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I disagree. There is time. You need 4 seconds, that's all. A lot of sacks Ryan takes is when he moves up into the pocket and right into the nose tackle for a sack. Too much happy feet. Not enough patience. They threw downfield in the NW game and look at what it got them? Easily best offensive output of the year. Ryan overthinks things too much. I've always been a Nassib supporter but at some time you have to look at the end result. His last come from behind victories of relevance were 2 years ago.

 

[Orangello]

You have to have time to throw deep. We do not.

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Not true. He got plenty of protection today. They don't throw downfield because he can't make those throws. He has no touch and they know it.

 

[orangenauburn]

they are afraid to air it out because he cannot do it successfully

 

[kingottoiii]

I disagree. There is time. You need 4 seconds, that's all. A lot of sacks Ryan takes is when he moves up into the pocket and right into the nose tackle for a sack. Too much happy feet. Not enough patience. They threw downfield in the NW game and look at what it got them? Easily best offensive output of the year. Ryan overthinks things too much. I've always been a Nassib supporter but at some time you have to look at the end result. His last come from behind victories of relevance were 2 years ago.

NW has zero pass rush. The first half Nassib had no time what so ever. The RU D was in the backfield nearly every play. Things were better in the second half but by then we had given up on passing it down the field.

 

[BORZAK]

Even the announcer said something like 'sometimes you have to throw deep if you have man on man coverage and just let your talented receiver make the play'.

Bingo. He has plenty of time to wait a couple seconds and chuck one deep. Big East DB's rarely pull off the pick. They are too concerned with making sure the receiver doesn't catch it. They also aren't good at catching deep passes in stride, if they were they'd be playing on the offense. If by chance they make a good pick it's 40 yards (give or take) down field and doesn't hurt as much as it's like a punt. How many long passes can you remember Ryan getting intercepted? Its rare in college, especially Big East.[/quote

YOU MEAN THE SAME GUY WHO THOUGH MORGAN WANYE WAS PLAYING 3 TIMES

 

[orangenauburn]

NW has zero pass rush. The first half Nassib had no time what so ever. The RU D was in the backfield nearly every play. Things were better in the second half but by then we had given up on passing it down the field.

he had plenty of time ... especially the 2nd half

he is a mental mess

 

[kingottoiii]

he had plenty of time ... especially the 2nd half

he is a mental mess

Go watch the first half again. The OL was an embarrassment. They were the biggest issue first half. Second half both teams changed. RU was more onservative and played coverage. Hackett when to quick short passes. The OL is still a huge issue. Things would not magically change with new QB. Nassib is playing poor FB right now, no doubt. But his struggles have been aided by the OL and Hackett.

 

[anglerman]

Bees seems to think nassib has no faults. The kid simply doesn't have any poise or feel for the game. That's it period he's just not good enough

All QBs get pressured during the course of a game. The good ones no how to handle it. Nassib just doesn't.

 

[PoppyHart]

You have to have time to throw deep. We do not.

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Then that's on our former OL/current head coach. If there's one position, other than kicker, that a coach should be able to replenish in 4 years, it's the offensive line. These guys would/should be 3rd and 4th year players and ready to lead.

 

[rrlbees]

I disagree. There is time. You need 4 seconds, that's all. A lot of sacks Ryan takes is when he moves up into the pocket and right into the nose tackle.

Last week everyone said he has to step up into the pocket. So I'm confused.

4 seconds would be heaven.

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[RoysRunts]

Same Scene different year

 

[orangepassion]

The problem wasn't play calling-It was turnovers. We don't turn the ball over and give up 14 points on 2 of them, we win.