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Message: [QUOTE="Pyle, post: 43313, member: 137"] I think you fail to realize the country club atmosphere that Grob promoted that led to a lack of discipline both on and off the field. Personalities? Maybe but Grob didn't help by letting them continue to be spoiled brats. As for your grass is greener comment, yes it is greener, it has to be if you want to compete for ACC championships because the prize recruits of the directional schools are not gonna get us there. I'm not looking for rolling pastures of green meadows, but we need more than crab grass and dandelions as well. [/QUOTE]