another "since 25-0" thread!

[br801]

Coaches and programs have had to adapt to the way things are done these days and while I think we did a great job of it in the late 00s and early 10s, since we've been poor at adapting.

Ah, yes, the early 2010s. An era now lost in the foggy mists of time.

 

[orangenirvana]

one and done and two and dones happen to every single program

I can think of one program this doesn't happen to - or at least hasn't for a long time.

(Hint: SU went' 0-3 against them this season)

 

[721Comstock]

I can think of one program this doesn't happen to - or at least hasn't for a long time.

(Hint: SU went' 0-3 against them this season)

So, you're saying you'd rather have Pitt's results the past X number of years, instead of ours?

LOL. Have fun with that.

 

[two3zone]

Ah, yes, the early 2010s. An era now lost in the foggy mists of time.

In the nature of the NCAA, things change and instant adaption needs to happen, you need to stay ahead of the curve, we have not. If you don't adapt, not only in basketball but in pretty much any aspect in life or business you're going to be in trouble.

 

[orangenirvana]

So, you're saying you'd rather have Pitt's results the past X number of years, instead of ours?

LOL. Have fun with that.

No. I'm saying the statement "one and done and two and dones happen to every single program" is false.

 

[two3zone]

No. I'm saying the statement "one and done and two and dones happen to every single program" is false.

Every single relevant program...

 

[721Comstock]

No. I'm saying the statement "one and done and two and dones happen to every single program" is false.

You're right - teams like BC, Wake, Rutgers, etc probably don't have those sorts of issues.

But - good, very good, and great teams do.
SU is somewhere in the good to very good range, generally.
So, it's a problem.

In fact, since we're NOT a 1-and-done factory like Duke, UK, KU, etc - it's MORE of a problem for us when it happens.

 

[orangenirvana]

In fact, since we're NOT a 1-and-done factory like Duke, UK, KU, etc - it's MORE of a problem for us when it happens.

Exactly.

 

[TinyManInside]

I'll play a little devil's advocate here but just remember -

Who thought Tyler Ennis would be a one and done?
Who thought J. Grant was going to bolt after his sophomore year?
Who would have thought that CMac would tear his ACL early part of last season, then thinking he would come back but instead go pro?
Who would have thought the lovely NCAA would hammer SU as bad as they did?

I'm not trying to say JB is a total saint but we did have somethings go bad the last few years that were not planned.

I didn't think CMac would leave after tearing his ACL. I expected that the NCAA would hammer SU (de facto "lifetime achievement" award?). I was sure that Grant would leave. I was 50/50 on Ennis, but not surprised.

BTW I think Ennis made the right decision for himself. I think if he stayed another year scouts would have picked apart the pacing of his game and his lack of elite athleticism and wouldn't have been drafted nearly as high.

 

[orangenirvana]

BTW I think Ennis made the right decision for himself. I think if he stayed another year scouts would have picked apart the pacing of his game and his lack of elite athleticism and wouldn't have been drafted nearly as high.

No doubt. That's the problem - the system is so broken.

 

[orangecuse]

JB being suspended for nine games had no effect on our record this season?

A self-imposed post season ban which demoralized the team didn't have any effect on last year's record?

OrangeXtreme said: ↑

Just for comparison, what's the conference record for all the other teams dealing with a suspended coach and scholarship reductions?

I asked you how the scholarship reductions effected our aforementioned record relative to the 25-0 start. You conveniently chose to not answer the question, ignored it, and deflected it by adding another separate question. I'll answer it though.

I never said nor implied that JB being suspended didn't have any effect, I believe it did. And, yes, I believe the self-imposed ban demoralized the team somewhat, however, there is absolutely no way you can say unequivocally, as a matter of proven fact, that we would've won more games had the ban not occurred. We were a serious bubble team prior to the self-imposed ban (hence all the national publicity that this was a lame move because Syracuse was questionable to make the tourney anyway, etc.) I also recall that many felt that possibly they would play more inspired because of same...treating every single game for the remainder of the season as the last.

Again, I'm interested in the actual recruits you claimed we lost due to the sanctions.

 

[FortyFourCT]

We've had two years to get the PG figured out. Joseph didn't pan out and we didn't get a PG this year. Is what it is.

I've seen this a few times on this board lately. What is Franklin? As a freshman, I though he did a nice job when given a chance and would feel OK with him taking on a much bigger role as he develops. Was he recruited as a 2? He shows a knack for getting guys the ball where they can easily score, last pass of the year not withstanding of course.

 

[FortyFourCT]

We've had two years to get the PG figured out. Joseph didn't pan out and we didn't get a PG this year. Is what it is.

I've seen this a few times on this board lately. What is Franklin? As a freshman, I though he did a nice job when given a chance and would feel OK with him taking on a much bigger role as he develops. Was he recruited as a 2? He shows a knack for getting guys the ball where they can easily score, last pass of the year not withstanding of course.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

OrangeXtreme said: ↑

Just for comparison, what's the conference record for all the other teams dealing with a suspended coach and scholarship reductions?

I asked you how the scholarship reductions effected our aforementioned record relative to the 25-0 start. You conveniently chose to not answer the question, ignored it, and deflected it by adding another separate question. I'll answer it though.

I never said nor implied that JB being suspended didn't have any effect, I believe it did. And, yes, I believe the self-imposed ban demoralized the team somewhat, however, there is absolutely no way you can say unequivocally, as a matter of proven fact, that we would've won more games had the ban not occurred. We were a serious bubble team prior to the self-imposed ban (hence all the national publicity that this was a lame move because Syracuse was questionable to make the tourney anyway, etc.) I also recall that many felt that possibly they would play more inspired because of same...treating every single game for the remainder of the season as the last.

Again, I'm interested in the actual recruits you claimed we lost due to the sanctions.

Here's my original quote:

Just for comparison, what's the conference record for all the other teams dealing with a suspended coach and scholarship reductions?

It is a fact that JB was suspended for 9 games this season.

It is a fact that SU was restricted to only 10 scholarship players this season. Since Chukwu was ineligible due to his transfer, we had only 9 scholarship players available. Every other school can have up to 13 players.

Since the poster I was responding to stated that SU's conference record was "pathetic" these last few years, I simply asked how it compared to other schools that faced coaching suspensions and a 30% reduction in roster size.

I don't believe I said anything about actual recruits that were lost due to sanctions.

 

[SBU72]

my point is 4 games under .500 in conference play over the last 2.5 seasons is PATHETIC for a team of syracuse's stature.

Well, your original post was 'since 25-0' but half of that is non-conference but your point is only about conference games? Why not include ALL games?

 

[CorduroyG]

Well, your original post was 'since 25-0' but half of that is non-conference but your point is only about conference games? Why not include ALL games?

ok. since we started 11-0 in acc play we're 20-24. better?

yes thats 31-24 overall, still not great. i think we all expected to take the acc by storm and we certainly started off that way but we've fallen off a cliff since 11-0.

 

[orangecuse]

Here's my original quote:

It is a fact that JB was suspended for 9 games this season.

It is a fact that SU was restricted to only 10 scholarship players this season. Since Chukwu was ineligible due to his transfer, we had only 9 scholarship players available. Every other school can have up to 13 players.

Since the poster I was responding to stated that SU's conference record was "pathetic" these last few years, I simply asked how it compared to other schools that faced coaching suspensions and a 30% reduction in roster size.

I don't believe I said anything about actual recruits that were lost due to sanctions.

Yes, your original response {Here's my original quote: Just for comparison, what's the conference record for all the other teams dealing with a suspended coach and scholarship reductions?} was quoted and subsequently captioned.

By you asking how many teams are 'dealing with scholarship reductions,' simply implies that because of same, we missed out on recruits that we otherwise would've gotten had it not been for the those said reductions...pursuant to the sanctions. 'Scholarship reductions' can only mean one thing, we aren't/weren't able to get the NCAA full allotment of scholarships recruits. So, I asked for you to name them, which, apparently, you're unable to. Fact of the matter is, the scholarship reductions have had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on our record post 25-0.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The bleeding will end next season. Final 4 team, book it!

Maybe the year after, without too many defections.

 

[IthacaMatt]

No. I'm saying the statement "one and done and two and dones happen to every single program" is false.

They lost a number of quality transfers, though, like Khem Birch.

 

[HoustonCuse]

I'd prefer Mark Coyle asking those questions. We all know if an exporter went there, JB would go off.

I don't know, I think Art Vandalay could get away with asking him that.