Anybody catch that Gottlieb SC stat?

[SoBeCuse]

Nice breakdown of both Duke and SU games by Gottlieb. They played parts of JB's presser on SC. Gottlieb said we were 338 out of 339 in Div 1 in number of offensive rebounds given up?? Was that it? Holy smokes if true.

 

[orangehomer]

that is what he said, its hard to know if he is saying %rebounds, total rebounds or whatever, but the bottom line is that our defensive rebounding has to improve.

 

[jekelish]

He's absolutely right, too. Our rebounding is incredibly worrisome. Kentucky would absolutely work us if this doesn't improve.

But some people will try to say this is just Doug furthering his "agenda" against us and ignore the fact that JB went on and on making the same point in his presser.

 

[SoBeCuse]

He's absolutely right, too. Our rebounding is incredibly worrisome. Kentucky would absolutely work us if this doesn't improve.

But some people will try to say this is just Doug furthering his "agenda" against us and ignore the fact that JB went on and on making the same point in his presser.

I personally think Gottlieb is the sharpest analyst out there. Perhaps even better than Bilas. He was dead on how you don't go under those ball screens the way UNC did tonight.

 

[TheOkieOrangeman]

Dear Douggie-it doesn't take a genius to figure out that SU's rebounding needs to improve!!!

 

[cto]

Nice breakdown of both Duke and SU games by Gottlieb. They played parts of JB's presser on SC. Gottlieb said we were 338 out of 339 in Div 1 in number of offensive rebounds given up?? Was that it? Holy smokes if true.

Everything Gottlieb said about our game tonight... was right-on. Take off the orange-colored glasses, folks. Rebounding is our Achilles heel

 

[Madbiker]

If the defensive rebounding doesn't improve drastically we will not be beaten by UK or OSU or any other elite team...because we will be knocked out long before we can advance that far. Some mediocre team will do it in the 2nd round. You can't survive giving a team 20 offensive rebounds. First time I agree with Gottlieb.

 

[rrlbees]

Everything Gottlieb said about our game tonight... was right-on. Take off the orange-colored glasses, folks. Rebounding is our Achilles heel

Everything Gottlieb said tonight was correct. But many other times he has been 100% wrong and in fact has lied about things to further a point he was trying to make when others disagreed with him. He is a smart analyst but due to the fact he can't get over himself, he'll twist facts...and that's a fact.

 

[mike32768]

I watched Gottlieb and replayed it several times and I could not unravel what he said (closed captions were no better LOL). I do believe he was trying to make the case that the Orange were in next-to-last place in some rebounding stat.

Now, I could not agree more that the Orange need to clean up their act WRT rebounds, especially looking at the last few close games, but for them to be in last (or almost last) place in any of the rebounding categories...I shook my head.

So I went to the ESPN site and looked up teams stats and the Cuse are NOT doing as poorly as some (Gottlieb included) are suggesting. Poorly, perhaps, but not near the cellar. I included a few other teams for comparison.

Team      OffRPG       DefRPG       RPG
Cuse      13.2(44th)   22.6(231st)  35.8(112th)
UK        12.8(60th)   27.0(10th)   39.8(14th)
Duke      11.5(151st)  24.4(100th)  35.9(107th)
Ohio      11.7(135th)  25.1(63rd)   36.8(14th)
NC        16.0(3rd)    30.0(1st)    46.1(1st)

Looking at that, it seems the Cuse needs to tighten up defense for sure, but they aren't near last place! The offensive rebounding is actually not too shabby.

 

[Knicks411]

We're 338th out of 345th in defensive rebounding%, which I assume is what he was referring to.

We are pretty good at offensive rebounding; we are legitimately one of the absolute worst teams in the country at defensive rebounding.

 

[mike32768]

OK, that's a little more subtle than the stats I looked at would provide.

 

[moqui]

he was using the Pomeroy stats. Syracuse ranks 338th out of 345 Division 1 schools in defensive rebounding percentage

FWIW, Kentucky, the potential matchup that has everyone's panties in a bunch today, ranks 15th in offensive rebounding percentage. Syracuse has already faced - and defeated - three teams with a better offensive rebounding percentage than the Cats: #12 West Virginia, #5 Marshall and #1 Pitt. Of course, none of those teams has the overall offensive arsenal that Calipari would bring to the table.

 

[JOC44]

I personally think Gottlieb is the sharpest analyst out there. Perhaps even better than Bilas. He was dead on how you don't go under those ball screens the way UNC did tonight.

That's mostly true. But the genius of JB's zone is how he tweaks it to deal with our opponents' characteristics. With guard who can't or won't shoot from the outside, our guards will sometimes duck under the screen to prevent a drive down the middle. With shooters, we almost always fight over the screen. We've had guards here (<cough> Josh Wright <cough>) who instinctively ducked under every screen, but the guys we have now don't do it and it's a big reason our defense is so good.

 

[TinyManInside]

OK, that's a little more subtle than the stats I looked at would provide.

more subtle, but also more accurate. The absolute number of rebounds can vary dramatically from game to game. What is most important is that you snag the highest percentage of them possible.

 

[mike32768]

When it comes right down to it, what really matters is "stops". Not sure that's measured in any decent way.

 

[iommi]

That's mostly true. But the genius of JB's zone is how he tweaks it to deal with our opponents' characteristics. With guard who can't or won't shoot from the outside, our guards will sometimes duck under the screen to prevent a drive down the middle. With shooters, we almost always fight over the screen. We've had guards here (<cough> Josh Wright <cough>) who instinctively ducked under every screen, but the guys we have now don't do it and it's a big reason our defense is so good.

Great point about Josh Wright; he used to drive me nuts with that. Jonny Flynn was a culprit too, to a lesser extent.