Anyone Else Getting Sick of Dual Threat QB's??

[anomander]

Why doesn't Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, or any Kevin Sumlin team ever have quarterback issues? Other then Nassib, who was a pocket passer, how many totally inept dual threat quarterbacks have we had since McNabb? Are we just extremely unlucky, or is the whole dual threat qb thing over hyped?

 

[IHeartSUFball]

its all about a consistent system and getting the right guy, we have changed our system too many times over last few years to know who we want to run it. Hopefully, we have settled on a system for the next couple of seasons.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Other than A&M, those other teams aren't using dual-threats anymore right? Making plays when the protection breaks down is fine, but most of the top teams are using guys who can throw the ball, and have guys who can make plays. I mean I wonder who helps the other guy more- Manziel or Mike Evans?

 

[OrangePA]

We have not had a dual threat QB since McNabb left.

We lost Vick and Daly - two dual threats.

Joe Fields was the great dual threat hope in 2004, but he wasn't the answer.

Hopefully Eduard is the dual threat we have been seeking for years.

 

[Doctor44]

I think that most fans believe in order for us to break through again, we need a superstar. We need that diamond in the rough, who can put the team on his back and win games. We need the next McNabb to get there, or a Freeney or a Jim brown. Coaches can only do so much to bring us back, we just need to get "lucky" with a recruit who can make things happen

 

[cuseguy]

We have not had a dual threat QB since McNabb left.

We lost Vick and Daly - two dual threats.

Joe Fields was the great dual threat hope in 2004, but he wasn't the answer.

Hopefully Eduard is the dual threat we have been seeking for years.

I think we're overlooking AJ Long.

 

[syr02esq]

I think that most fans believe in order for us to break through again, we need a superstar. We need that diamond in the rough, who can put the team on his back and win games. We need the next McNabb to get there, or a Freeney or a Jim brown. Coaches can only do so much to bring us back, we just need to get "lucky" with a recruit

I think you are right. We need an impact player who will turn around our program similar to what Ray Rice did for Rutgers or what RGIII did for Baylor. Our time will come.

 

[tep624]

I think we're overlooking AJ Long.

I think we're overlooking Mitch Kimble.

 

[texasorange]

Dual threat QB's are great if they are true dual threat QB's. Unfortunately not all are dual threats. And building an offensive line that can truly pass protect and open holes for the running game is very difficult.

 

[Rocco]

Dual-threat is the new age of QB's. Take a look at the NFL for example. Of last year's QB draft class, Luck, RG3, Wilson, Kaep and Tannehill can all run like hell. Having wheels on a solid QB causes a D fits. It's the trend going right now.

I love it, makes the game so much more exciting.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Our single threat qb did well last year but imagine if he could run for first downs as well?

I think the biggest issue is finding passers that can run vs trying to teach runners to pass. Add to that game speed at which these players are used to growing up and it seperates even more. As with other skill positions, florida speed is different than NE speed. The guys may run the same 40 time but one will see the plays, digest data, and make decisions quicker based on what they have faced before they hit campus.

 

[Entropic]

Our single threat qb did well last year but imagine if he could run for first downs as well?

I think the biggest issue is finding passers that can run vs trying to teach runners to pass. Add to that game speed at which these players are used to growing up and it seperates even more. As with other skill positions, florida speed is different than NE speed. The guys may run the same 40 time but one will see the plays, digest data, and make decisions quicker based on what they have faced before they hit campus.

You hit the nail on the head. There are a lot of teams out there sporting DT QBs, however the successful ones have QBs that can run and not RBs that will throw.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I'd be fine with one of these QB's who are completing 70% of their passes- http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/passing

 

[SmilinBob]

I firmly believe SU is heading in the right direct regarding recruiting good HS QB's.

And...give me a 4.4 speed 6' 4" strong armed accurate qb with football IQ and I'll be one smiling bob.

 

[Crusty]

We are who we thought we were.

Even before DM left, we all knew that this year was a real crap shoot. We had just lost 5 players to the NFL including half our O Line, a three year starting QB, a record setting wide receiver and a soon to be NFL safety. Then, we lost almost our entire coaching staff. All of this while heading into the ACC for the first time.

The conventional wisdom was that Charle Loeb would take over at QB, Hickey and Trudo would step up on the O Line and that our D would be good because we had a great core of LB's. We were all whistling past the graveyard.

Our new head coach gets hired January 8, 2013 - less than one month before National Signing Day. He had to assemble a staff and salvage what was another of Marrone's fair to middling recruiting classes.

Give me a break - this was Mission Impossible and geniuses on this board want to fire him?!

Shafer never complained about the challenge, never tried to lower expectations and never whined. He went to work and in a short period of time he:

1. Hired a pretty good staff including one of the best recruiters in the country.
2. Recruited a 5th year QB transfer from OK that everyone thought would be a reasonable stand-in for Nassib.
3. Saved the recruiting class from a complete utter disaster.

What more do you want? What more do you think is reasonable to expect?

We are who we thought we were. We are not a very good team and we are in a rebuilding year. Instead of bitching and moaning about the performance of a team that is playing at the level that we previously feared, why not put our unreasonable expectations behind us and get behind our HC who is doing a great job.

Give the man a chance.

 

[buffalorange]

Why doesn't Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, or any Kevin Sumlin team ever have quarterback issues? Other then Nassib, who was a pocket passer, how many totally inept dual threat quarterbacks have we had since McNabb? Are we just extremely unlucky, or is the whole dual threat qb thing over hyped?

Only sick of them when the dual threat QB is doing a good job against SU.

 

[sufandu]

I'm only sick of not having a dual threat quarterback.

 

[Millhouse]

Why doesn't Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, or any Kevin Sumlin team ever have quarterback issues? Other then Nassib, who was a pocket passer, how many totally inept dual threat quarterbacks have we had since McNabb? Are we just extremely unlucky, or is the whole dual threat qb thing over hyped?

They recruit guys who've thrown a million passes.

We recruit good basketball players (Hunt, Patterson, Broyld)

Practice makes perfect. Those teams recruit guys who've thrown a million times as kids and then they all throw a million times in practice in college

 

[KevMonstah]

Or, dual threat could be how to cause more damage to your own team, bad pass or turnover?

Ok, that's not fair.

What SU needs to do though, is ensure the offense they try to run fits the QBs they do have, dual threat
or otherwise.

Nassib wasn't a dual threat guy, and they used him right. He was much more of a passer, could move
once in awhile, and ran a gameplan that got the WRs free in his wheelhouse. The WR skill level was
a huge factor for him. And, he had a coaching staff that was far more offensive-minded and far more
experienced at running offenses than the guys do now. Don't neglect either of those. Marrone was
previously an NFL offensive coordinator; Hackett had NFL experience, and probably picked up thing
or two from his dad's 40 years of coaching too.

Allen is not a dual threat guy, but it doesn't seem like the offensive scheme was a fit for him.

Hunt is (supposed to be) a dual threat guy, but his passing skills are behind his running skills.

McDonald will improve with time, but whatever they run and with whomever they choose, make
sure the offensive scheme works best for the QB and the players they have.

Kev

 

[ImperialOrange]

I'm only sick of not having a dual threat quarterback.

We have dual threat qb's but I'd prefer one's that threaten opposing defenses instead of the int/incomplete dual threat that we have now.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Shafer never complained about the challenge, never tried to lower expectations and never whined. He went to work

This is a really solid point, Crusty. You've been posting some great stuff lately.

 

[PhatOrange]

Not at all, love dual threat QB's and why not. The legs are an added weapon, hard to contain. The problem is finding a passer.

 

[Crusty]

This is a really solid point, Crusty. You've been posting some great stuff lately.

Thanks, I have little to do at the moment. For me, it is the calm before the storm. I am waiting on other folks to get something done and then I will be up to my butt trying to get the deal completed by year end. So, I have been immersed in SU Football while I wait.

So, instead of driving my wife nuts, I am posting!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Thanks, I have little to do at the moment. For me, it is the calm before the storm. I am waiting on other folks to get something done and then I will be up to my butt trying to get the deal completed by year end. So, I have been immersed in SU Football while I wait.

So, instead of driving my wife nuts, I am posting!

I'm impressed. Usually my posting is what drives my wife nuts.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

We have not had a dual threat QB since McNabb left.

We lost Vick and Daly - two dual threats.

Joe Fields was the great dual threat hope in 2004, but he wasn't the answer.

Hopefully Eduard is the dual threat we have been seeking for years.

What do you mean we "have not had a dual threat QB since McNabb left" ???

Because there have been plenty of them on the roster.

You mentioned Joe Fields, but there's also been:

Dee Brown came in as a dual threat QB, but switched to RB when he saw McNabb entrenched at QB.

Perry Patterson was a top-20 dual threat QB coming out of high school. (#17 on R1vals)

RJ Anderson or as Coach P called him "Robin" Anderson was a pretty good dual threat QB - His biggest flaw was that he wasn't McNabb or Vick.

Joe Dailey was a big time dual threat recruit... But alas he transferred to Nebraska.

Madei Williams was also big time dual QB recruit that didn't pan out. But if you ever saw him in pads, he looked like a super hero.

Malik Campbell was the top-rated dual threat QB in NY/NJ, but he switched to WR.

Cecil Howard was another huge dual threat QB recruit out of PA, but he transferred out quicker than you can sneeze.

Some could argue David LeGree was a dual threat QB - if only because he was a drop back passer who could run. He also transferred out due to "differences" with G-Rob.

And then there's John Kinder and Ashton Broyld who have not seen the field as QBs, but both came in highly touted.

Not including Troy Nunes who also was a bit of a dual threat, that's ELEVEN (11) legitimate dual threat QB's on the roster since the McNabb era.

I know there's been more, but there was no need to keep the list going.