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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 3626455, member: 837"] Well, Scoop, for one, played 20 mpg in 33 games with 10 starts as a true freshman and scored 5 ppg with a couple assists on 46% shooting. Goodine wasn't that. Would he have been Scoop as a third-year guy? Maybe, but he didn't want to wait and find out (not knocking Goodine, just simply pointing out that he didn't want to hang around and redshirt like Scoop). Carey played 12 mpg as a frosh, had some ups and downs. He was given every opportunity to sieze the lead guard role as a soph but it didn't happen and then he got hurt. Seemed like a good kid, clearly had talent, but again, didn't want to wait to find out. The patience piece is as much on the kids as it is the coaches. I don't begrudge any of them for moving on but this is a different era. Really tough to groom kids for a year or two these days. [/QUOTE]