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Message: [QUOTE="SoBristol, post: 2586723, member: 485"] Putting aside semantics, we know the history since 2013. 70 plus teams are invited to bowl games -- not us. In 4 seasons, 1 win in November. Label that as you will. The question is what the SU program can be in 2018 and going forward, with a head coach who has been a winner at prior stops. Can he recruit and be successful in our program? Get us to a bowl game and the middle of our division (or better) in good seasons? I think we are close to that, this season, when you look at how our lines compare to what we have had. Wake turned it around -- why not us? [/QUOTE]