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It is obvious the ACC will keep a 8 game conference schedule and do something like this.
1. Each team has 3 protected annual conference opponents.
2. Then you play 5 of the remaining 10 teams home/home for 2 years
3. Then you play the other 5 teams home/home.
4. Thus, the ACC would protect 3 annual games for everybody and then each player would play in every other stadium over the next 4 years.
5. In the event of ties for the conference title game othe conference would use the basketball tiebreaker record vs top teams etc.

Syracuse protected annual games would likely be Boston College, Pittsburgh and then Louisville or Virginia.
 
So the ACC still considers SU the Big East with these cross overs ?
 
Here is what I think the 3 annual opponents would be

1. Florida State- Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech
2. North Carolina- NC State, Duke, Virginia
3. NC State- North Carolina, Wake Forest, Clemson
4. Clemson- Georgia Tech, NC State, Florida State
5. Georgia Tech- Clemson, Duke, Florida State
6. Duke- North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech
7. Virginia- North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh
8. Miami- Florida State, Virginia Tech, Boston College
9. Virginia Tech- Virginia, Miami, Louisville
10. Louisville- Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech
11. Boston College- Syracuse, Miami, Wake Forest
12. Syracuse- Boston College, Pittsburgh, Louisville
13. Wake Forest- Duke, NC State, Boston College
14. Pittsburgh- Syracuse, Louisville, Virginia
 
It is obvious the ACC will keep a 8 game conference schedule and do something like this.
1. Each team has 3 protected annual conference opponents.
2. Then you play 5 of the remaining 10 teams home/home for 2 years
3. Then you play the other 5 teams home/home.
4. Thus, the ACC would protect 3 annual games for everybody and then each player would play in every other stadium over the next 4 years.
5. In the event of ties for the conference title game othe conference would use the basketball tiebreaker record vs top teams etc.

Syracuse protected annual games would likely be Boston College, Pittsburgh and then Louisville or Virginia.
Don't know if the 8-game schedule is guaranteed, but if it comes to pass, your solution is quite reasonable.
 
Here is how a Syracuse conference schedule could look over 4 years.
Year 1- BC, @Pitt, Louisville, @UVA, NC State, Miami, @ Clemson, @Wake Forest
Year 2- @BC, Pitt, @Louisville, UVA, @NC State, @Miami, Clemson, Wake Forest
Year 3- BC, @Pitt, Louisville, @VPI, UNC, Florida State, @Georgia Tech, @Duke
Year 4- @BC, Pitt, @Louisville, VPI, @UNC, @FSU, Georgia Tech, Duke


That way you play everyone home/home over 4 years.
 
It is obvious the ACC will keep a 8 game conference schedule and do something like this.
1. Each team has 3 protected annual conference opponents.
2. Then you play 5 of the remaining 10 teams home/home for 2 years
3. Then you play the other 5 teams home/home.
4. Thus, the ACC would protect 3 annual games for everybody and then each player would play in every other stadium over the next 4 years.
5. In the event of ties for the conference title game othe conference would use the basketball tiebreaker record vs top teams etc.

Syracuse protected annual games would likely be Boston College, Pittsburgh and then Louisville or Virginia.
Interesting idea. Did you devise this or has it been reported somewhere? Would much prefer to trade Pitt off for Va Tech.
 
i like the idea of 3 protected but I hate that we are playing BC, Pitt and LVille.
 
we are at the bottom of appeasing in regards to protected rivalsvirginia will be tough.

I think the 1st protected rival will be current cross over rival Pittsburgh, 2 others(one will be BC other one Louisville is most likely)

how I see protected rivals for each team:

FSU: Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech
CLEMSON: Georgia Tech, Florida State, NC State
SYRACUSE: Pittsburgh, Boston College, Louisville
LOUISVILLE: Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
BOSTON COLLEGE: Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Wake Forest
NC STATE: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Clemson
WAKE FOREST: Duke, NC State, Boston College
MIAMI: Florida State, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh
VIRGINIA TECH: Boston College, Miami, Virginia
VIRGINIA: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
GEORGIA TECH: Clemson, Duke, Florida State
PITTSBURGH: Syracuse, Louisville, Miami
NORTH CAROLINA: NC State, Virginia, Duke
DUKE: Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, North Carolina
 
BC, VTech and Miami would be my dream. Dream being the key word.
I could live with that. VTech or Pittsburgh is aok by me. Either way, three former 'real' Big East teams. Yes L'ville was Big East but not the same feel. I just want Miami on the schedule more often!
 
Don't know if the 8-game schedule is guaranteed, but if it comes to pass, your solution is quite reasonable.
It is the 8 game solution the ACC will do if conferences won't need divisions. That way you would get every player in every stadium over 4 years and protect annual matchups that need to happen.
 
So the ACC still considers SU the Big East with these cross overs ?

I assume that it's more of a keep the rivalry thing. When the Big 10 tried to force PSU with MSU it just seemed awkward. Maybe that's kind of what they might be thinking even though SU doesn't get Louisville as a H/H in hoop. Well...that's all I got!

I just want to see ALL of the ACC schools to play Syracuse asap and whatever gets that done, I'm for.
 
Boston College and Pittsburgh may not move the needle, but its obvious they would be the closest thing to football rivals we have. Thus, playing them annually should happen I would like Virginia over Louisville, but either of them would be fine. The benefit of this model is every team host one another over 4 years and that is great.
 
If it were up to me I'd want BC/Pitt and Va/Miami or Clemson.
 
Its crazy for me to think that no one on either side of Syracuse or Va Tech wants them to play every year. We hate them, they hate us, why not make it a rivalry again. It was definitely a rivalry when we were in the Big East. Just makes too much sense to me, probably why it won't happen. I can deal with BC, And Louisville has started to feel like a rivalry, but Pittsburgh just doesn't do it for me. We have played Pitt more then almost anyone else in the country but neither fan base gets really worked up about it; its just another game.
 
Its crazy for me to think that no one on either side of Syracuse or Va Tech wants them to play every year. We hate them, they hate us, why not make it a rivalry again. It was definitely a rivalry when we were in the Big East. Just makes too much sense to me, probably why it won't happen. I can deal with BC, And Louisville has started to feel like a rivalry, but Pittsburgh just doesn't do it for me. We have played Pitt more then almost anyone else in the country but neither fan base gets really worked up about it; its just another game.

Because VT thinks they are Alabama or Texas. You've seen their trophy case...oh, wait on that.
 
Boston College and Pittsburgh may not move the needle, but its obvious they would be the closest thing to football rivals we have. Thus, playing them annually should happen I would like Virginia over Louisville, but either of them would be fine. The benefit of this model is every team host one another over 4 years and that is great.
If the ACC is going to maximize having 3 teams north of the Mason-Dixon, we need all 3 to play annually. Their regional ties need to be maintained and used to bring in ever more northeasterners as ans of ACC football.

Here is my latest attempt to deal with this. I posted it on the Louisville Scout board. I was wrong about the 8 game schedule definitely being kept, but going to 9 poses major issues that could lead to backlash, so anybody demanding 9 just to play politics to try to get a favorable deal in some way better be careful -


It now seems a given that the ACC proposal to de-regulate the way conferences larger than 11 may schedule and decide who plays in a Championship Game is going to pass. The Big 12 is co-sponsor, and the change would allow it to hold a Championship with just 10 teams, or 11 if they add 1.

For us, and I think for the Pac and Big Ten, the main issue is freedom to schedule other than based on 2 divisions that each play an annual round robin. It would mean we schedule with no divisions, cutting back the number of annual rivals so that everyone is played often.

In case you haven't thought about the problem, as the system now operates, we all will play Notre Dame more often than we play full members of ACC football who are not annual rivals. UNC, for example, will play ND more often than we play FSU and Clemson.

Going 8-10 years between meetings in conference games is not a good thing. And this change in NCAA regulations will allow us to make things better. It will keep the entire league refreshed, with new teams rotating on the ACC schedule at least every 2 years.

All signs indicate that we are keeping an 8 game conference schedule. If we each have 3 annual rivals, we will play the other 10 teams in the conference 2 times every 4 years. We will see every team at least twice every 4 years.

That seems to me to be close to ideal. None of us have more than 3 teams we must play each year. Each of us now plays annual games against 2 or 3 schools that our fans would not mind seeing less often, and each of us have fans who would greatly prefer to play a team or two or three more often than the old NCAA rules allow.

Below is my list of 3 annual rivals for each full member of ACC football. It starts with the MUST PLAY games, based on history (like The South's Oldest Rivalry and GT-Dook) and the need to maximize TV interests and deal with SEC rivalries (which is the reason I have FSU playing GT annually), and then taking account of Thanksgiving weekend season ending games.

All teams should play every Thanksgiving weekend so no one ever plays in the Championship after a bye week. We have 4 teams that will end the season versus SEC in-state rivals (FSU, GT, Clemson, and Louisville). UVA and VT must end the season. So must the 4 NC schools, though it might be interesting to have that rotate, so that in some years UNC closes with Dook while MooU closes with Wake, and in other years UNC closes with MooU while Dook closes with Wake.

That leaves 4 teams who need an annual season ending game: Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, and BC. BC and Cuse, as border state schools, probably should close the season, which would leave Miami closing with Pitt.

With all that in mind, here is my list:

BC - Syracuse, Pitt, Wake
Syracuse - BC, Pitt, Louisville
Pitt - BC, Syracuse, Miami
Louisville - VT, Syracuse, UVA
UVA - UNC, VT, Louisville
VT - UVA, Louisville, Miami
UNC - UVA, Dook, MooU
Dook - UNC, Wake, GT
MooU - UNC, Wake, Clemson
Wake - Dook, MooU, BC
Clemson - GT, FSU, MooU
GT - Clemson, FSU, Dook
FSU - Miami, Clemson, GT
Miami - FSU, Pitt, VT
 
Interesting idea. Did you devise this or has it been reported somewhere? Would much prefer to trade Pitt off for Va Tech.

It has been talked about at csnbbs.com ad other places. HokieMark I think had a blog post on it. Makes a ton of sense for 14 teams with 8 game conference schedule.

Also, make a ton of sense for the ACC/SEC to encourage an annual crossover game among the schools. ESPN would love that. Several schools would just continue to play their long term SEC rival game as part of the scheduling alliance.
 
Its crazy for me to think that no one on either side of Syracuse or Va Tech wants them to play every year. We hate them, they hate us, why not make it a rivalry again. It was definitely a rivalry when we were in the Big East. Just makes too much sense to me, probably why it won't happen. I can deal with BC, And Louisville has started to feel like a rivalry, but Pittsburgh just doesn't do it for me. We have played Pitt more then almost anyone else in the country but neither fan base gets really worked up about it; its just another game.
Pitt - meh
 
SU - Miami instead of Pitt - Miami
Pitt gets Ville instead of Miami.

Pitt - Ville 387 miles
Cuse - Ville 677 miles
 
SU - Miami instead of Pitt - Miami
Pitt gets Ville instead of Miami.

Pitt - Ville 387 miles
Cuse - Ville 677 miles

I like Woad's suggested pairings for Thanksgiving Day weekend. BC doesn't bring much juice for SU fans but they are the closest school to us and over time, this should develop into the big game for supremacy in the Northeast.

I like Woad's suggested partners, but really like the change Toga has suggested.

SU desperately wants regular access to Florida, which has a high concentration of alums and is really important for recruiting. Miami is also a lot easier for SU fans from upstate to get to than Louisville is. Miami fans won't travel no matter what, so no worries there.

And Pitt and UL get another very drivable game in their regular rotations. That pairing has the potential to grow into a nice rivalry over time.

So cast this one in stone:

BC - Syracuse, Pitt, Wake
Syracuse - BC, Pitt, Miami
Pitt - BC, Syracuse, Louisville
Louisville - VT, Syracuse, UVA
UVA - UNC, VT, Louisville
VT - UVA, Louisville, Miami
UNC - UVA, Dook, MooU
Dook - UNC, Wake, GT
MooU - UNC, Wake, Clemson
Wake - Dook, MooU, BC
Clemson - GT, FSU, MooU
GT - Clemson, FSU, Dook
FSU - Miami, Clemson, GT
Miami - FSU, Pitt, VT

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ACC schools who end their season with SEC schools must be able to schedule a bye or play a cupcake prior to playing that SEC team. The majority of SEC schools schedule that way and the ACC have to mirror that in order to better our conference chances of winning those games.
 

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