At Look at the Numbers...

[GFTakedown]

Here are the numbers of the 1 seeds and others in contention for 1 and 2. I labeled the others without their name but only by their numbers. Interesting how the numbers look.

Arizona
29-3 Overall (15-3 Conference)
RPI 1 SOS 4
BPI 1
Against Top 50 RPI 10-2
Against RPI 51-100 7-1
Against RPI >100 11-0

Florida
29-2 Overall (18-0 Conference)
RPI 2 SOS 17
BPI 2
Against Top 50 RPI 6-2
Against RPI 51-100 8-0
Against RPI >100 15-0

Wichita State
34-0 Overall (18-0 Conference)
RPI 5 SOS 92
BPI 3
Against Top 50 RPI 3-0
Against RPI 51-100 7-0
Against RPI >100 23-0

Team A
24-8 Overall (14-4 Conference)
RPI 3 SOS 1
BPI 4
Against Top 50 RPI 12-7
Against RPI 51-100 4-1
Against RPI >100 7-0

Team B
25-6 Overall (12-6 Conference)
RPI 6 SOS 2
BPI 9
Against Top 50 RPI 7-3
Against RPI 51-100 8-2
Against RPI >100 10-1

Team C
28-4 Overall (16-2 Conference)
RPI 4 SOS 21
BPI 6
Against Top 50 RPI 5-3
Against RPI 51-100 11-0
Against RPI >100 12-1

Team D
24-7 Overall (13-5 Conference)
RPI 8 SOS 7
BPI 7
Against Top 50 RPI 6-4
Against RPI 51-100 4-1
Against RPI >100 14-2

Team E
23-7 Overall (15-3 Conference)
RPI 9 SOS 8
BPI 22
Against Top 50 RPI 8-5
Against RPI 51-100 5-1
Against RPI >100 10-1

Team F
27-4 Overall (14-4 Conference)
RPI 10 SOS 60
BPI 10
Against Top 50 RPI 6-2
Against RPI 51-100 9-0
Against RPI >100 12-2

Team G
25-6 Overall (16-2 Conference)
RPI 12 SOS 39
BPI 8
Against Top 50 RPI 4-4
Against RPI 51-100 6-2
Against RPI >100 15-0

 

[anomander]

Team C would be my choice.


Our SOS of 60 will cost us the 1. Non Conf SOS is in the 120's which isn't good at all.

If we match up with NCST, Duke, and UVA just how much would could that boost our SOS?

 

[NineOneSeven]

As much as we blast Wichita State for their schedule, their SOS isn't nearly as low relative to us as I would have guessed. Stop playing Binghamton.

 

[AZOrange]

Why compare em now? Let's compare Sunday and see what the numbers are. Anyone putting Kansas up there still isn't watching the games...

 

[jordoo]

SOS is BS indicator.

 

[Ghost]

SOS is BS indicator.

It is - I think the BPI tries to take that into account with the scoring margin - but for upper-echelon teams playing team 120 or 240 is about the same. But one hurts your RPI a lot more probably. (I think it would at least...not an RPI expert)

 

[stuckinbig11]

Team C would be my choice.


Our SOS of 60 will cost us the 1. Non Conf SOS is in the 120's which isn't good at all.

It really cost us to play a couple sh!tty Big Ten teams; of course, Michigan and Wisconsin don't get penalized for playing them "in conference."

 

[jncuse]

I don't think the committee used BPI as an official metric. (but not 100% certain)

 

[Melancer46]

We have to wait to see how things play out, but personally, I'd go with Team A first.

Edit: My preference is: A, B, C, F, E

 

[SUMBA]

It really cost us to play a couple sh!tty Big Ten teams; of course, Michigan and Wisconsin don't get penalized for playing them "in conference."

222 Nov. 12 Home Fordham89-74

255 Nov. 16 Home Colgate 69-50

324 Dec. 7 Home Binghamton 93-65

334Nov. 8 Home Cornell 82-60

I think playing these teams at home really kill our RPI. I know we are doing these teams a "favor" by helping them with a big gate, but we may have to reconsider if it continues to hurt our SOS. When our SOS got a big boost from playing in the Big East, we could afford these games...now...not so much.

 

[jncuse]

It is - I think the BPI tries to take that into account with the scoring margin - but for upper-echelon teams playing team 120 or 240 is about the same. But one hurts your RPI a lot more probably. (I think it would at least...not an RPI expert)

You are correct.

A game against a really bad team will always hurt your SOS, and RPI.

BPI is more concerned by how much you beat them by.

 

[jncuse]

You also need to add RPI 1-25 wins, which is also a metric... and a key one to determine #1 seeds.

 

[longtimefan]

SOS is BS indicator.

I agree. It's a large part of the RPI/BPI. It doesn't need to be counted again.

 

[stuckinbig11]

222 Nov. 12 Home Fordham89-74

255 Nov. 16 Home Colgate 69-50

324 Dec. 7 Home Binghamton 93-65

334Nov. 8 Home Cornell 82-60

I think playing these teams at home really kill our RPI. I know we are doing these teams a "favor" by helping them with a big gate, but we may have to reconsider if it continues to hurt our SOS. When our SOS got a big boost from playing in the Big East, we could afford these games...now...not so much.

Our SOS was supposed to be helped by the Maui games and the ACC-BT game; instead, it was hurt. We cannot control how lousy our pre-season-ranked teams turn out to be.

 

[jncuse]

As much as we want to piss on Kansas, the amount of top 50 games vs the rest of the field is pretty staggering. Obviously the B12 helps with that.

In terms of pure winning % vs top 50, they are not that far off.

Syracuse 75%
Wisconsin .70%
Kansas 63%

That could change a bit this weekend as well. Kansas could get to .67%, Syracuse could fall to 67%, Wisconsin could fall to 64%. Those other two teams also have more sub 50 losses (including one or two bad ones)

Obviously it goes much deeper then that (the mix is not always the same level), but it's not an outrageous argument for them as a #1.

The reasons I would still put Wisconsin and Syracuse ahead (depending a bit on what happens this weekend)

Wisconsin - More elite wins (Florida, Virginia, St Louis, B10)
Syracuse - Depth of road / neutral wins in that 51/100 category. That is worth something as well. It is not easy going 9-0 through that.

 

[SUMBA]

Our SOS was supposed to be helped by the Maui games and the ACC-BT game; instead, it was hurt. We cannot control how lousy our pre-season-ranked teams turn out to be.

Minnesota and Baylor were top 50 wins. Cal is just outside the top 50 at 53. I don't think those games on a neutral court hurt our SOS.

 

[GFTakedown]

Team A- Kansas
Team B- Wisconsin
Team C- Villanova
Team D- Duke
Team E- Michigan
Team Syracuse
Team G- Virginia

 

[BludOrange]

A cupcake is a cupcake.

SOS is worthless. Not much difference playing the 126th BPI ranked team or the 342nd BPI ranked team.

126th - Columbia
342nd - Cornell

Do the Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks strike fear in any top program? They are ranked 75th in the BPI. They are a projected 13 seed. They do not pose much of a threat to any top program. If they were on the schedule it would be viewed as cupcake in our eyes, just like Cornell.