We aren't elite nationally. However, Syracuse football history and success is on a totally different level than Iowa State. Comparing our program to the Cyclones to Orangeman history is not close. Iowa State is on the level of Rutgers and Wake Forest LOOK AT THEIR HISTORY. Iowa State football alltime record is 507-610-46 with a 3-9 bowl record, while Syracuse football alltime record is 705-503--49 with a 15-9-1 bowl record. Yeah we are on the same freaking level. My god we aren't an elite program right now but Syracuse football history is one of the top 25 of alltime while Iowa State is probably one of the top 10 worst histories of a team in a P5 conference.
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A little bit of hyperbole there with the Elway stuff, but I do agree that Robertson is a special talent. I have no idea if he is NFL level or not (only seen him play once), but there is little doubt he is an exceptional playmaker at the college level.
I am more concerned with the accuracy of SU being a "very fast and athletic P5 conference defense." We have some good athletes and we have some speed. But, as was the case last year, the overall lack of speed, athleticism, and coverage skills are going to be exposed again this year when we face the big boys.
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I would agree that Historically and even now Iowa State is not on the same level as SU and we are top 15 all time. Putting them at Rutgers level is a bit harsh though. Not from an overall record standpoint but from a Dumpster Fire program and Delusional Fanbase perspective.
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I see your concern. But , I think you have to look at it like this , if the OLB came up on him to try to keep him inside or tackle him the LB would likely whiff. He couldn't be tackled in traffic, he is that good of a runner. If that happened on the outside the secondary would have to release to stop a 20 yard romp and then he would nail us for a big gain or a TD.
John Robertson and 'nova's S&C Coach totally dominated Syracuse for the job details them what to do. I was very impressed with both and since Hicks is getting up there in age maybe it's time to look in a new direction.
I posted a top ten list a few weeks ago on the worst p5 programs and I think IOWA ST. was on it and was pretty high up on the rankings
I posted a top ten list a few weeks ago on the worst p5 programs and I think IOWA ST. was on it and was pretty high up on the rankings
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Maybe not dominated, but I would say SU was out-played
1st downs- Nova 25, SU 21
Yards- Nova 389 SU 320
TOP Nova 37:48, SU 22:24
Biggest stat of the game to me- SU ran 4 plays in the entire 4th quarter. That's not good...against anyone.
I was watching the in game stats at the dome and they kept them current through out the game and they were flip flopping big time. it was like watching multiple games all in one. Momentum was changing all the time
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I have followed NDSU for over 30 years. I have known there coaches and im close to the school. The system that they have in place is exceptional always has been. They have one of the best programs in the country regardless of league. With the exception of the top 30 i wouldnt count them out of any game. They would have beaten us by 3 scores easily on Friday might have destroyed us
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Syracuse is not elite. We've played a long time and whipped up on eastern teams. Once we were pretty good. For a while. I never figured out how winning in 1959 made us elite in this century.
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That's like saying Gene Waldron was as good as Oscar Robertson because he scored 40 points against Iona.
We aren't elite i.e. to current top 25.
We are on the same level as Iowa State? If you think SU football is on the level with Iowa State I would just tell the University to pack up the football program. Our history makes us a top 25 alltime team . Read SUTomcat's signature and you will see we aren't chopped liver. I agree since 2001 we have struggled bigtime nationally, but that doesn't drop you down to the P5 bottom 10 level.
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What is you want - a bunch of sycophants? This fan base lived through GRob as well as Marrone. This board gives overwhelming support to the staff and the program. By the way, all we learned in 2012 was that we had no depth - Pugh returned and things changed.
Out expectations have been lowered so much that we overrate the 2012 season. That team underachieved - it should have won 10 games. The staff did not do a good job preparing this team to play and all of the rationalization in the world will not change that. We had more talent, more depth, were playing at home and had plenty of time to prepare - no excuses for that performance. The criticism voiced on this board has merit and is not hysterical. Every staff needs a wake up call every now and then and so it is with ours.
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I didn't think it was possible but this board figured out away to spin that game/pitiful performance by Syracuse. Now were comparing the back to back to back Div 1AA National Championship ND State team to Villanova and Nova to Wichita State and Dayton. Is there anything this board wont make an excuse for?
Agreed, people aren't complaining just to complain. This is an internet messageboard. We are fans as long as nothing personal is said about the coaches/players then any critiques should be heard without complaints for anyone. This board shouldn't be an echo chamber. Either our football team is not as good as people thought and Friday's night was good or we were horrible and people complaining have reason.
Villanova was a good FBS team, but they are clearly the worst or 2nd worst team(CMU) on our schedule and we needed a kicker to miss a 25 yard field goal INDOORs to have a chance to win and then resorted to a fake field goal from the 1.5 yard line to be able to punch a TD on the board. Yet, now Nova has Elway at QB and Iowa State getting beatdown by the 3x FBS champions means our performance was okay. The solace I will take from that game is we need 5 more wins to become bowl eligible and we wouldn't be reminded in the future we lost to a FBS team.
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I understand your point that the poor play of the D friday was a function of how good Robertson is, and not a reflection of the skill of the D. There is some truth to that.
However, I firmly believe that this D's relative lack of overall speed, athleticism, playmaking and coverage skills will again be exposed this year. There are several teams and players on our schedule that are going to put up HUGE numbers on us...again.
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So was it reasonable to want Marrone out after our loss to Rutgers? Because that's what some posters were arguing for.
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Fans are entitled to their opinions and yes, to vent. Since when was being a fan about reasonable? Fan = fanatic, remember.
I was a DM defender but Marrone was far from perfect and he had his bad stretches. After two and a half years, having a seven game losing streak will get any coach is hot water. Doug could be his own worst enemy at times as well.
I don't think being critical means lack of support. I support this staff as much as anyone but that doesn't mean I am a sycophant. When they screw up I have every right to express my opinion as does everyone. You can just ignore the hyperbole and unreasonable posts.
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When was Gene the favorite to win player of the year in any division.
C'mon man I mean people have been reasonable for the most part. What the hell do you want praise for the team winning after the Villanova kicker missed a 25 yard field goal? We were outplayed by the weakest team on our schedule and only beat them by 1 point in 2 OT. Let's throw the team a parade for overcoming the odds. Marrone rebuild the program, but that 2012 team underachieved winning only 8 games. Discipline has been a problem for this program. Shafer did a better job last year cleaning up the personal fouls, but we were undisciplined under Doug Marrone with all the personal fouls and penalties and our starting QB got ejected on Friday. That can't happen.
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Ventings fine. I get that. And I'm not talking about being a sycophant. That's a straw man.
The problem is when you start calling for the coaches head six games into the season (or one game, lol), you stand a small chance of looking like an idiot if the team, say, wins six of the next seven games. The internets are forever.
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Go back and look at Shafer's post game presser and tell me he wasn't seething behind the game face. I guarantee you he is going to be more critical than anything you see on this board. Shafer is a realist and he won't blow smoke up his own butt. There will be adjustments.
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Yes. FOR THE MOST PART. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the vocal minority who thinks SS isn't the guy one game into the season.
And that 2012 team could have easily lost to Mizzou and South Florida. I think that gets forgotten.
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Certainly I agree with that. But you get kids on these sites and you can usually tell from their posts who they are. They are all hyperbole and no thought whatsoever. I just ignore them unless I feel like calling them out because they were way over the top.
No coach will get fired going 1-0 no matter how ugly. Shafer was right ugly wins are better than pretty losses - we had enough of those in the last five years.
Do you not feel it is fair to question the D after 14 games, including 4 blowouts and no wins against good teams?
The vocal minority should just be ignored. Shafer gets 2 more years to show he isn't the guy. People killing his coordinators are fair game as those guys can be moved anytime if they truly are over-matched. Brian Pariani was so over-matched after the first game in 2005 it was obvious. McDonald/Bullough had horrible games and we need them to improve. Shafer is going no where and the idiots who want him gone should be ignored. Marrone criticism after 3 1/2 years was fair game and I am glad he turned it around, but that team should have gone 9-3 or 10-2.
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And should have won against Northwestern , Cincy and Rutgers.