Attendance - My Attempt at Explaining it

[MarcusPitt]

The 150 is SU price. They are A level seats. Lowest in 301 is 51 which is non preferred like yours. Then the lower in the section, the higher the cost up to the lowest rows in 301 which are the 150. What SU does, and it's fair for the donors, is to charge the cost of the ticket plus a prorated cost of the donation for a single game.

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Did not know a donation was involved for 300 level. That explains everything. I just felt the cost was really high when I did a random ticketmaster search. I wonder if this is the norm in college football? You could go to any nfl game cheaper...

 

[rrlbees]

Did not know a donation was involved for 300 level. That explains everything. I just felt the cost was really high when I did a random ticketmaster search. I wonder if this is the norm in college football? You could go to any nfl game cheaper...

The SU site has a map of donation levels. Pretty much everything between the 20's is donation, even the 3rd level, except for the highest rows.

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[Millhouse]

The 150 is SU price. They are A level seats. Lowest in 301 is 51 which is non preferred like yours. Then the lower in the section, the higher the cost up to the lowest rows in 301 which are the 150. What SU does, and it's fair for the donors, is to charge the cost of the ticket plus a prorated cost of the donation for a single game.

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they need to scrap all this garbage

get people in all the seats and people donate whatever they want to donate

separate it

if it means some donors might have to wonder if the person sitting next to them donated as much, so be it

clearly tying seats to donations is not working

 

[rrlbees]

they need to scrap all this garbage get people in all the seats and people donate whatever they want to donate separate it if it means some donors might have to wonder if the person sitting next to them donated as much, so be it clearly tying seats to donations is not working

May not agree with your method but I agree with the concept that it needs to be blown up. Take a hit for a few years and significantly lower donations and eliminate some. Get the sideline seats sold first. Then if the program starts having more success, slowly increase the levels again. Each year the number of donors goes down, then the donation goes up. They are fighting against themselves.

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[TBCuse11]

$150 for what 300 level??? You can't be talking about single-game tix... I sit on the 50 yard line in 301 on the aisle and my 4 tix are each $125/season, which includes the Stadium Lot parking pass. No individual game goes for that, including the Clemson game in October.

How is this possible? I pay $150 per ticket for mine and we are on the goaline... the 50 yd line is cheaper? What?

 

[rrlbees]

How is this possible? I pay $150 per ticket for mine and we are on the goaline... the 50 yd line is cheaper? What?

I'm sure you're not talking apples to apples.

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[OburgOrange]

How is this possible? I pay $150 per ticket for mine and we are on the goaline... the 50 yd line is cheaper? What?

I'm 3rd level corner and pay 150$ per for 4 seasons. Pretty good imho, ... but if i could get 50 yd line cheaper? What

 

[rrlbees]

I'm 3rd level corner and pay 150$ per for 4 seasons. Pretty good imho, ... but if i could get 50 yd line cheaper? What

We're talking 150 per seat per game at the 50 in the lower rows. Not 150 for the season.

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[MarcusPitt]

May not agree with your method but I agree with the concept that it needs to be blown up. Take a hit for a few years and significantly lower donations and eliminate some. Get the sideline seats sold first. Then if the program starts having more success, slowly increase the levels again. Each year the number of donors goes down, then the donation goes up. They are fighting against themselves.

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Totally agree. Gotta get butts in seats any way possible. The casual fan that is just looking for one game for something to do is totally put off by the pricing between the 20's.

 

[rrlbees]

Totally agree. Gotta get butts in seats any way possible. The casual fan that is just looking for one game for something to do is totally put off by the pricing between the 20's.

Yep. The casual fan thinks the first level and low upstairs between the 20's are the "good" seats and those are $75 - $150 seats. So just taking your wife, son or friend is $150 - $300 before you have even parked, eaten or drank.

Then you can look at the flip side and not charge single games with the prorated donation. I'm sure SU has looked at this. That would be $30 per ticket. That would be much more palatable for the casual fan and I'm sure they'd sell a lot more. But then you run the risk of losing donors. It's one thing to have the one off game where that happens. But if all season long, the donor who paid for his seats at the $30 cost of the ticket plus $300 - $600 per seat donation has a person next to him who paid $30, you ask yourself if it's worth it. Some would be likely to screw the donation and just buy game to game. The University has to treat their donors fairly.

So there are 3 choices. Do nothing and hope we become a consistent 9-3/10-2 team that might draw crowds and more season ticket holders or do one of two other things. Charge individual games at just the ticket price and put the onus of over paying on the donor, or blow the whole thing up and put the onus on themselves. It's their University, their team, their product. The onus should be on SU. I'll get off the high horse now.

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[chakka3421]

Yep. The casual fan thinks the first level and low upstairs between the 20's are the "good" seats and those are $75 - $150 seats. So just taking your wife, son or friend is $150 - $300 before you have even parked, eaten or drank.

Then you can look at the flip side and not charge single games with the prorated donation. I'm sure SU has looked at this. That would be $30 per ticket. That would be much more palatable for the casual fan and I'm sure they'd sell a lot more. But then you run the risk of losing donors. It's one thing to have the one off game where that happens. But if all season long, the donor who paid for his seats at the $30 cost of the ticket plus $300 - $600 per seat donation has a person next to him who paid $30, you ask yourself if it's worth it. Some would be likely to screw the donation and just buy game to game. The University has to treat their donors fairly.

So there are 3 choices. Do nothing and hope we become a consistent 9-3/10-2 team that might draw crowds and more season ticket holders or do one of two other things. Charge individual games at just the ticket price and put the onus of over paying on the donor, or blow the whole thing up and put the onus on themselves. It's their University, their team, their product. The onus should be on SU. I'll get off the high horse now.

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My 2 seats total $300 per game 50 yard seats and includes next to Dome parking - we've had them forever. I keep asking the spouse if we should give it up for $20 or less per game seats deals we keep seeing offered. She (and me too) want to support SU and the players and their parents that sit near us. It really bugs her though seeing empty corporate seats near us left empty. And where people higher up than us fill them up after the first quarter and we know they don't pay like we do. We have been questioning our blind support that we have given lately especially since the Grob years.

I said to her its easy to support teams that win like SU bball. We finally decided to not care about what others do and we will keep our seats and continue supporting SU football for now.

 

[CanadianSU]

Hows attnd looking for bc?

 

[rrlbees]

Hows attnd looking for bc?

Bad. But they are giving free tix to military and youth orgs.

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[Rocco]

How is this possible? I pay $150 per ticket for mine and we are on the goaline... the 50 yd line is cheaper? What?

I'm up in 301, not in the lower level but still at the 50 yard line behind the SU bench. My 4 seasons with parking pass average out to $250/seat. True story.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Real butts in the seats last week were estimated to be around 20,000; 20,000 in a Dome that seats roughly 49,500. So, how do you get from 20,000 diehards to a full Dome?

What if SU was 10 -1 instead of 5 - 6? I believe that the coming BC game would be a near sell-out. CNY would be abuzz with SU football talk. Shafer would be the talk of the town, with every reporter hanging on his every word. Nobody would be bitching about parking spots taken up by tailgaters, limited choices at the concession stands, uncomfortable aluminum bench seats, pee troughs, or the lack of out-of-town scores streamed up to the minute. Rather, people would be all over Ticketmaster trying to get tickets, or plotting how to get to their favorite scalper early Saturday morning.

So, what is the difference between 20,000 diehards and a near-full Dome? 5 wins. A record of 10 -1 instead of 5 - 6. Just win, and everything takes care of itself.

Real butts in the seats last week were estimated to be around 20,000; 20,000 in a Dome that seats roughly 49,500. So, how do you get from 20,000 diehards to a full Dome?

What if SU was 10 -1 instead of 5 - 6? I believe that the coming BC game would be a near sell-out. CNY would be abuzz with SU football talk. Shafer would be the talk of the town, with every reporter hanging on his every word. Nobody would be bitching about parking spots taken up by tailgaters, limited choices at the concession stands, uncomfortable aluminum bench seats, pee troughs, or the lack of out-of-town scores streamed up to the minute. Rather, people would be all over Ticketmaster trying to get tickets, or plotting how to get to their favorite scalper early Saturday morning.

So, what is the difference between 20,000 diehards and a near-full Dome? 5 wins. A record of 10 -1 instead of 5 - 6. Just win, and everything takes care of itself.

Bad product (W/L) for years!
Boring product for years!
Customer indifference by SU for years!
Customer mis-treatment (ushers) for decades.
Loss of replacement customers 20-40 year olds who have left and aren't coming back.
Many more youth playing soccer, which takes families away from games on Saturdays.
Also, we now have fall baseball leagues. (Small numbers, but some).
Games on tv.
I gotta say, I don't ever see a reason to go back up there for football. May not even go back up for basketball. I would rather do an NCAA trip once a year.

 

[upperdeck]

what is the deal with the box seats? last week one of the boxes looked to have no people at all in it? most seem to be half full if that?

 

[chakka3421]

what is the deal with the box seats? last week one of the boxes looked to have no people at all in it? most seem to be half full if that?

I think 1-3 were unsold this year.

 

[upperdeck]

so is the school missing the boat on that as well? do they not offer them game by game or as an upgraded ticket?

why so do many seem so empty do you buy the rights to the box and then tickets separately on a game by game basis?