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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 4628663, member: 5685"] Outside of the 2020 debacle, our ACC records vs Southern schools under Babers: 2-0 VA Tech 1-0 Duke UNC UVA 0-0 GA Tech 2-4 NC State Louisville Wake 1-5 Clemson FSU 0-1 Miami Take away Clemson and FSU and we are 11-13. So how is that being beaten up by Southern schools? Really Pitt has been a bigger issue for us than the Southern schools. BC 4-2 Pitt 1-5 Now that we don't have Clemson every year, we should be better off. We do still have FSU though. Against everyone else we are 16-20 under Babers. That is not far off from where we should be. If you excuse his first two years as he had to build up from Shafer, we are 13-11 against ACC teams not named Clemson and FSU in non Covid years. Overall the Babers era has been disappointing, but outside of 2020 we haven't been too far off from right where we should be (35-39 overall and 16-20 ACC against non Clemson/FSU). [/QUOTE]