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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 4629420, member: 5685"] Duke had zero titles before then so do they count? I get what you are saying though. If we are just looking at titles then you have to count UConn. But if you are looking at all time Ws (25th) and W% (15th) then UConn doesn't look so good. For comparison the Elite 8 of each... Ws - Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, UCLA, Temple, SU, Notre Dame W% - Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Duke, UCLA, SU, Western Kentucky, Nova So if you take Ws, W%, Titles into account then only these teams are in the Elite 8 of all three: UCLA, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas They also happen to be #1 through #5 in Ws and W%. Titles they are #1 through #3, tied for 4th, and 7th. You cannot really put UConn in that list, but you also cannot put Indiana in there (10th in Ws and 21st in W%). Really before this year Nova should have been ahead of UConn too. But this title puts them ahead. [/QUOTE]